Bill,

Bore yourself into enlightenment?

That's a new one!

Edgar



On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote:

> Mike and M,
> 
> Counting breaths (and chanting, bowing, koans, etc...) are just techniques 
> used to focus the mind on repetitive thoughts to the point where it shuts 
> down (usually out of boredom) which allows the experience of Buddha Nature.
> 
> Any way you can halt the creation of dualism (intellectualizations) and enter 
> into samadhi (or what I call shikantaza) is fine.
> 
> Do whatever works for you.
> 
> ...Bill! 
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
> >
> > M,<br/><br/>I began practicing Zen 10 years, or so, ago. I discovered 
> > Vipassana meditation about 5 years ago. I have found that Vipassana 
> > explains things that Zen leaves empty (pun noted). My (Zen) practice has 
> > deepened considerably since discovering Vipassana and one of the factors is 
> > focusing on bodily sensations as the doorway into reality. The sutras talk 
> > about this a lot and Buddha himself said that within this "fathom long" 
> > body will you discover the truth. No where in the sutras does it say to 
> > observe thoughts or count the breath. Since dropping both my meditation has 
> > changed considerably. For me, when my mind wanders I just come back to the 
> > sensation of air on the entrance of my nostrils. Very 
> > grounding.<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
> >
> 
> 

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