Merle, I mean liberty and security in a society are usually related in an inverse proportion. The more liberty you have the less security; and the more security you have the less liberty.
In other words the more laws the less liberty but the more security. The less laws the more liberty but the less security. What I said below was that in my experience most people will lean heavily towards security over liberty. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â bill...meaning what?..clarification please..merle > Â > Larry, > > I agree most of what you posted here, but would like to add that most people > however choose security over freedom. > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher <lcmaher22@> wrote: > > > > 1- Life is suffering. > > 2- We suffer because we crave (want, desire, whatever) > > > > It doesn't matter where you live or whom you live with. We can always chose > > freedom through 'want' reduction. I'm a victim to. No need to remind me. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > bill...butting in..practical for who?...the mob at the top of the food > > > chain whilst they hold a gun to the herd? > > > there is the term noble savage... and let us not forget these noble > > > savages are living in the NOW...the space you so yearn to be ..merle > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > IMO the basis of all cultural and societal values and mores are > > > practicality. I think problems come in when the needs of the population > > > changes but the values and mores are too rigid to adjust to meet them. > > > > > > I don't think any of these are 'noble', but in fact that the judgment of > > > 'noble' is itself a cultural or societal value. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher <lcmaher22@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Very good video Merle. No leaders, equal men and female rights and > > > > multi-spouse marriage, men marrying several women or women marrying > > > several > > > > men (probably as a means of population control). The point is: our great > > > > morality connected with sex and exclusivity is just no more than making > > > > people another possession. The tribe doc I saw years back became > > > > contaminated with modern civilization and within a matter of a few years > > > > the men spoke of their, bikes, radios and their wife. One old lady > > > > interviewed near the end of the doc said, civilization was nice but she > > > > missed the group sex the village engaged in every week or so. > > > > Not advocating anything here, just wondering if our 'noble' values are > > > > really 'noble' or just practical? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a beautiful documentary about beautiful people living in > > > harmony > > > > > with each other and their environment... paradise lost.... where did > > > our > > > > > civilisation go so wrong?..... cheers merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ' > > > > > http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/isolated-zoe-tribe/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > *Larry Maher* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Larry Maher* > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
