Well said Wai. Thank-you. =)<
> My dear friend, why do you want to be regurgitating what the Buddha
> and Nagarjuna have said. I would prefer that you show me something
> that's your own, from your very gut, then you'll be more convincing.
> Allow me to give you a hand. As you are reading my message, who is it
> that is at this very moment reading? Is it your mind, or is it your
> eyes, or is it both or is it neither? If you know the answer then you
> will be right at the middle of The Middle Way.
>
> > See, I'm objecting to this. This is a load of hogwash.
> > According to what you said above, anyone who is
> > absorbed in what they are doing is enlightened.
>
> That's not what I meant. But anyone who is enlightened will be
> totally absorbed in what they do, not necessarily the other way
> around.
>
> > But that's not the case (cf. Zenkei Shibayama's commentary
> > of the "Keichu's Wheels" koan in his "Gateless Gate"
> > book). Anybody can easily and spontaneously enter
> > samadhi of work, as in a potter becoming one with the
> > clay and the pottery wheel, but that is not zen
> > realization. There is not even a trace of zen
> > realization there. Something else is required so that
> > the person experiences a deeply transformative
> > 'turning at the seat of the consciousness'. It is
> > then, and only then, that the person embarks on the
> > path of spiritual journey.
>
> Good observation.
>
> > The samadhi of work, of the Nike add ("just do it"),
> > of becoming one with the situation, is a fool's gold.
> > If you haven't had the deeply revolutionary
> > transformative experience of satori, this Nike
> > approach won't take you anywhere.
>
> "Just Do It" is a Zen approach, not a Nike approach. It is Nike who
> adopted the term from the Zen community (in the 60's or 70's ??). A
> marketing executive from Nike or the Ad agency was a Zen practioner.
> And I'd applaud him/her and Nike for adopting the term, it helps to
> spread the Dharma, doesn't it.
>
> > Buddhist practice is not psychology. It is not a
> > therapy.
>
> It's not psychology. But it's most definitely a therapy, a medicine.
> Many Buddhist sutras say that.
>
> > Attachment, grasping and clinging are perfectly fine.
> > They are only a problem if you somehow imagine them to
> > be a problem. The resolution of that impasse is to
> > experience satori, which, at that moment, will
> > undeniably demonstrate to you that there is absolutely
> > nothing wrong with the attachment, rejection,
> > grasping, clinging etc.
>
> In my almost ten years as a Buddhist, you are the very first person
> that I've encountered to see attachment, grasping and clinging as
> perfectly fine in the Buddhist context. Do you know that in many, if
> not all, of the sutras, the Buddha and the Patriachs say that
> attachment, etc. are diseases of the mind?
> If you seriously want to teach Buddhism, I very *sincerely* urge you
> to conform to the established terminology of the Buddhist community.
> It will really help to avoid much unnecessary confusion for yourself
> as well as others. Unless, of course, what you are teching is Alexism
> (or Bunardism?).
>
> > I absolutely don't get a thing you're talking about
> > here. What are you trying to say? What positive light?
>
> My apologies, I can be pretty bad at communicating. But it's not a
> particularly important point, so let's not waste time on this.
>
> Best wishes
> wai
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