Not so easy, or simple. How you express yourself is what you are. The recirpocal influence on each other can't be reduced to "they use the same words or they both speak Chinese but that's all". Taoist ie. Chinese sensibilities are carried and formed by the language/concepts. Look for instance at how both Ch'an and Taoism view the body or action--not just philosophically but in practice as well. You won't find this tone or thought in Indian Buddhism. Of course if you think Buddhism is what people recite as their offical Sutra based literalist self definition there is little connection. But is that Zen--living Zen? If you really want to look at a possibly uncomfortable thought ask how much of the actual tone/feeel of Jap. Zen has Shinto influence. Notions of Buddhism as pure/uninfluenced, direct from the source ought to be viewed with the suspicion of "the pure race" idea. If you are alive you've been influenced--Bob Dylan. Living Ch'an has been influenced and has influenced Taoism.Only dead Zen is pure.
-- Rev Genryu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Think of how Zen expresses itself to Westerners, at > least in the west, in very psychological terms, but > isn't psychology. The relationship of Zen/Chan and > Taoism is pretty much the same. > > Genryu > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Catalin > To: [email protected] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:35 AM > Subject: [Zen] Zen/Ch'an and Taoism > > > What is the relationship between Zen and Taoism? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
