>Maybe you sit to do zazen and your head and stomach ache...  people always 
>say, "MY head hurts, MY stomach hurts"  Any one of us will continue to 
>describe about every part of the body...  "MY hair is brown"  "MY bones 
>ache"   "MY muscles are cramped"  "MY eyes are blue"  "MY brain has a 
>tumor"  "MY throat...  MY jaw...  MY blood...  MY heart  .......   and so 
>on.  After every body part has been covered, what part of our bodies is 
>the ME?  Where are WE in the body?  Instead of saying, "my head/stomach 
>hurt when I sat down to do zazen"  maybe try saying "this head hurt" and 
>"this stomach ached" or "there is this ache" and remember that these are 
>passing.  What happens when you are doing zazen and you feel an itch, it 
>passes.  So do cramps and aches.  So does the body itself, breath by breath.
>
>In fact, the breath can be traced from "outside" the body into the mouth, 
>to the throat, to the lungs, and then the blood, so where is the line 
>really?  As we sit in a house we are "outside", in the walls of the house 
>breathing the same air.  Earth is in outer space, so aren't we in space, 
>on earth?  There is only a gradual change in the density of air.  There is 
>no line.
>
>Regarding the old post about zen and comedy, Jeff Foxworthy had a bit 
>about the experience of a fish getting caught out of the water being 
>probably the closest thing to an out of body experience that a fish could have.
>
>Any thoughts on these subjects?  (Any help with some clearer language use 
>maybe?)

This is very clear, thank you.  Sometimes it is very difficult to sit with 
unpleasant sensations.  I want to get up and do *anything* but sit 
there.  But if I can put up with it, I think there are very important 
lessons to be learned there.

>"While the ball is going up, while the ball is going down, and when the 
>ball is bouncing"

What does this mean?

Ian





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