Hi iahklu
>I love zen. I'm an obsessive thinker... I try to follow things out to >their end, their conclusion. Naturally, zen infuriated me, lol. I couldn't >"figure it out," yet I couldn't give up either. I eventually got the joke >(joke's on ME, as it were, lol) - to a point: > >What frustrates me is that you would think (so to speak) that zen would >LEAD to something - a permanent transformation or restructuring of the >process of being. That is, if there is no "thinker," and thoughts are >happening by themselves just as leaves dance in the wind... why doesn't >realizing this remove the feeling, the sensation of frustration and effort >of THINKING thoughts? There's an unnecessary redundancy there which I >understand intellectually, but it would SEEM that it'd be possible to >incorporate that realization as a permanent change in one's being - not >just a cool theory to play with, but the mind (or whatever it is) should >stop THINKING thoughts, stop reflecting on them as they happen and trying >to control them... and just let them unfold, without interference. > >Or am I just thinking about this too much? > >lol, >iahklu Well it sounds to me like you're saying you have this frustrating experience of reflecting on thoughts as they happen and trying to control them. So that isn't just thinking about everything too much. That's an experience. You obviously have no difficulty thinking, and thinking clearly. Your writing is clear and lucid. Were you having this frustrating experience right when you were writing this email? Ian ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
