--- While I certainly understand and agree with where you're coming 
from here, we are essentially all the same universe; the point is a 
wooden plank does not have feelings. If I curse at a piece of wood 
it wull not cry. Nor is a piece of wood a bacteria or termite. they 
only exist in and amongst the wood, they are not wood. Peace, Guy

In [email protected], woof puppy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A wooden plank is alive, depending on how you look at
> it.  It has billions of bacteria, and a wealth of
> organic material.  It has the potential to break down,
> fertilize, and eventually become any number of things.
> 
> Is it as alive as the tree it once belonged to?  No. 
> But if self is an illusion - defined only in relation
> to its surroundings, then a plank must be that way
> also.  To us, it is just a plank, a future table,
> perhaps.  To the itty bitties, it's just wood like any
> other, full of other itty bitties like themselves, and
> things that itty bitties find tasty.
> 
> 
> SPROCKET
> 
> > Message: 4         
> >    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:56:37 -0000
> >    From: "ventouxboy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Who is Greatest Roshi?
> > 
> > ---Michael, the problem with being a wooden plank is
> > a wooden plank 
> > isn't alive. Living beings have feelings, denying
> > that is to deny 
> > reality. And that only leads to suffering. And yes,
> > cat's are great. 
> > Sadly, they do have more compassion and love than
> > many people. 
> > Peace, Guy.
> > 
> 
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