Very astute Spidey, but how could one not react a bit sarcastically with 
all the diatribes that seem to erupt here regularly. Often with you in 
the middle of them I notice.. Hmm


On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 8:35 am, [email protected] wrote:
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>       1. Paradox or Type A Personalities?
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>       2. Breath Counting Zazen
>            From: "lostpsychonaut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>       3. Re: Zen a path of paradox
>            From: "Francisco Garcia Scherer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>    Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:59:34 -0400
>    From: "spider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Paradox or Type A Personalities?
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> From: "David Newman" One paradox that regularly fascinates me is how a
> certain Zen group is the most argumentitive group I've seen on yahoo
> groups.>>
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> Look at your own sarcastic contribution and wonder no more. You get out 
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> it what you put into it.
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>    Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:02:37 -0000
>    From: "lostpsychonaut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Breath Counting Zazen
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> "THAT which makes the universe tick...Is THAT which makes us
> breathe...". This is the value of watching the unmanipulated breath.
> Through the breath we can touch the tides of the Eternal Tao. Call it
> God or Unfathomable Emptiness or ... any way u prefer, there is a
> rhythm in it.There is rhythm and tide in all phenomena.If we are able
> to let go of our habits of manipulating everything and just allow the
> breathing to be fully natural...then our body and mind feel like going
> to the shore and seeing the ocean for the first time, we see and touch
> the edge of this not-only-material ocean, and we can feel the waves
> and get intimate with its true nature.In early days of our Western
> culture,breath was considered our very spirit, as our
> words "inspiration" and "expiration" show clearly, or take the Divine
> inspiration in the Christian Old Testament. God (if you will) breathes
> in us, or as my master used to say "Take up the noble practice of
> breathing Mu - letting Mu breathe Mu - . Then the old house collapses,
> and you are free to know the ancient joy of the vast and fathomless
> Dharma."
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>    Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:47:56 -0000
>    From: "Francisco Garcia Scherer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Zen a path of paradox
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>    I agree. Sometimes, it seems to me that life is a koan.
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> --- In [email protected], "lostpsychonaut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>  Day and night, summer and winter, life and death... nature itself is
>>  paradox and Zen the simple mirror reflection of life. Remain
>>  choiceless, and you will remain true.Relax and let go into the way
>>  things really are. Enlightenment is finding that there is nothing to
>>  find.
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