Lest there be any misunderstanding here, this of course applies universally, as much to the executioner as the executed. DC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: Wednesday 14 December 2005 20:48 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Zen] Execution of Crips Gangsta Tookie Whatever you sow, so shall ye also reap.
DC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bradsmetcalf Sent: Wednesday 14 December 2005 12:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Execution of Crips Gangsta Tookie Hi all, I am by nature a shy and reserved person, prefering to "listen" and learn by observing other groups such as this. My motivation for this response is that I'm very troubled, from a personal perspective, by this issue. My own personal foundation of beliefs wills that forgiveness is absolute and attainable for all beings who wish it. But I also believe that we have to be responsible for our own actions, and that our wrong doings demand reconcilliation. >From what I understand of the case (and I'm no expert please feel free to correct my mistakes)he killed at least 1 innocent person, and may be personally responsible for 100's more. He may have reformed his ways in prison, but does that negate what he has done? I say no. His victems still remain dead, lives in our "civlized" society he had no right to take. He should be held accountable by the termination of his own life. As i have previously stated I am deeply troubled by this issue and welcome any and all comments. -Brad --- In [email protected], "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:57 AM Al posted: > > <...snip...> > >What do you think? Should a possibly re-habilitated serial killer be > >forgiven? Have you bought any of his children's books for your kids? Have > >you ever been a member of the Crips or Bloods? > > My answers to your questions are: > Yes, anyone can be forgiven. I have not bought (or even heard of) any of > his books. I only claimed membership in one 'gang': the SDS (Students for a > Democratic Society) in the 60's. > > However Tookie's case is much more complex than this. There are a number of > things that are at issue: > 1. Did he actually commit the murders? > 2. Did he receive a fair trail? > 3. Was the death penalty warranted in his case? > 4. Was he really rehabilitated? > 5. Does it matter if he was really rehabilitated? > 6. Should the death penalty be permitted under the law at all? > > My (very short) answers to these are: > 1. I assume so. I have no reason to doubt the verdict of the jury. > 2. I assume so. I have heard nothing to the contrary. If he believed he > didn't he sure had enough time to appeal. > 3. I'm not an expert in California law, but from what I understand he was > indeed eligible for the death penalty in his case. > 4. I don't know. > 5. I don't think so. When the sentence is the death penalty I would the > goal of the criminal justice system is not rehabilitation. > 6. That's the real question and could be the topic of its own forum. I'm > sure one already exists for it and is very, very busy right now. That has > to be asked and answered by each individual on a personal basis, and by each > municipality/society on a political basis. My personal opinion is there > should be no death penalty. 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