Hi,

first things first. You can try to ask about accessibility of GTK apps
on orca mailing list:

https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

I don't know if it will help, but Bleachbit uses also Pygtk and on the
main screen there is a tree controll for selecting thins to delete.
Maybe you can look on their source code. But I personally have never
created GTK applications, I am more into QT, althought its accessibility
is not so good as GTK's, btw.

Now to your second question - yes, when I start some application or the
first time, I usually use TAB to cycle through all elements and I have
to figure what does what. Then I explore menus etc. Usually it works.

I am glad that you still develop this software. I had quite big problem
to find ideal notetaking tool which would be simple enough and offered
enough flexibility.

Best regards,

Vojta





Dne 27.4.2017 v 16:50 Jaap Karssenberg napsal(a):
> PS deep respect if you are able to navigate the application just by
> hearing. Both myself and my girlfriend tried it out but it is really
> difficult even if you know the application behavior well. 
>
> Which makes me wondering: how do you get started on a new application,
> when you don't know how it works yet. Just trial and error or do you
> have some other help for that? 
>
> Regards, 
>
> Jaap 
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 14:16 Jaap Karssenberg
> <jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com <mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Vojta,
>
>     Just figured out how to enable Orca and gave it a try. I get the
>     same behavior as you, so I can test it.
>
>     I think something goes wrong because we pack two cellrenders into
>     one column object. Only the text of last one is read out if there
>     are children.
>
>     Not sure how to fix it. Since this is a normal list formatting for
>     the Gtk toolkit, I suspect there is an interface to indicate what
>     content should be read out. But searching on google, I find very
>     limited information for development of accessible applications in
>     Gtk / Atk.
>
>     Do you happen to know where to find resources or discussion about
>     adding accessibility hints to Gtk applications from the developer
>     side ?
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Jaap
>
>
>     On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM Vojtěch Polášek <krec...@gmail.com
>     <mailto:krec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hello,
>
>         thank you for fixing previous accessibility problem. However,
>         there is
>         another problem which was present also in previous stable version.
>
>         It happens when I browse through the tree control representing
>         index. If
>         I focus on a page which has subpages, my screenreader
>         announces only
>         number of subpages and not a name of the page. If I focus on a
>         page
>         which has no subpages, the name is announced correctly.
>
>         Could you please look into this?
>
>         Thank you,
>
>         Vojta
>
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