At 12:22 PM 10/2/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with:
>Everyone has a right to be wrong.  But what, exactly, do you believe our 
>responsibilities to be, knowing that from whom much is given, much is expected?  
>Where is your line in the sand?

"And it came to pass that he rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote 
upon it—In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and 
our children—and he fastened it upon the end of a pole." (Alma 46:12)

Here is the line.  As a nation we must do nothing but defend these things.  If we want 
to open our doors to refugees from war torn parts of the world, great.  If our young 
men want to enlist in the national defense forces of these other nations, fine.  But 
our elected government has no right whatsoever to wage war for any other reason than 
national defense.

I believe that George W. Bush is mixed up in an organization that is much like the 
Mafia, only far more wealthy and powerful. He himself might be a fine man with a 
wonderful family.  But he is not at liberty to govern as he sees fit.  He has to obey 
orders.  The same people who put him in office are the ones to whom he owes 
allegiance.  And he cannot be expected to act in the best interests of our nation 
except where those interests coincide with the powerful men who helped him into 
office.  And apparently the men who control President Bush now want a war with Iraq.  
Well I don't.  If we declare war on anybody, it should be this criminal conspiracy 
that has gained control of our government.  Saddam Hussein has committed no aggression 
against the USA.  He may be evil, but he is not that stupid.  He hates us, but no more 
than a hundred other nations.  If we fight him it will not be for our God, religion, 
wives, children and liberty. It will be to further the designs of powerful men, men 
who have excessive influence in our government and excessive influence in our media.

A war does not serve the national interest unless you want to define national interest 
as "Whatever is good for General Motors is good for the country."  The men who are 
promoting this war will not have their sons on the front line.  And my son turns 19 in 
5 months.  I want him to serve a mission, marry in the temple, and raise a family to 
the Lord.  I do not want him dying on some foreign battlefield.  If he must die in 
combat, I want it to be right here on our sacred soil, defending it from those who 
would combine against us.

Our government has no business trying to police the world.  Saddam isn't the only Bad 
Guy on the planet, and we can't fight them all.  We have never been able to fight them 
all.  It is hubris to suppose we can.

Let's arrest bin Laden and see him on the gallows along with all his top lieutenants.  
Then maybe we can think of other projects.  Until I see bin Laden or his body, I will 
consider any use of our military overseas a private project serving the interests not 
of our nation but of certain wealthy and powerful men, a private project being funded 
by the American taxpayer.  Didn't we learn anything in Vietnam?  The tragedy of 
Vietnam isn't that we lost.  It isn't that 60,000 of our finest young men never came 
home.  It isn't that we left thousands of POWs behind.  The tragedy of Vietnam is that 
we didn't accomplish a thing.  It was a war fought for no good reason.

Just what national benefit do you think we will obtain from fighting Saddam?  Who are 
we defending that will be benefited? Every one of the Islamic nations hates us as much 
as Saddam does.  None of them are democracies.  They are all trying to obtain weapons 
of mass destruction.  Do you think that Khadafy or any of the other dictators in the 
region are worth a single drop of American blood?  And why should our nation be in the 
business of propping up dictatorships all over the world anyway?  How does that serve 
our national interest?  Does it make these nations love us better?  I don't think so.

I know that I'm whipping a dead horse.  But I served in the US Marines during the 
beginnings of the Vietnam war.  And I hated hippies and street protestors.  I wanted 
to go over there and kill all those gooks.  And since then I have found out that I was 
completely wrong.  I was deceived by people in my own government who never had any 
intention of winning that war.  And until the men who did that, and the secret 
societies that they belong to, are rooted out of our nation, I will oppose with every 
fiber of my being any warfare except what is fought on our own soil by an invading 

We don't even know who blew up the World Trade Center. 

John W. Redelfs                                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against 
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the 
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in 
high [places]. (Ephesians 6:12)
"All my opinions are tentative pending further data." --JWR

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