Hello everyone, I gotta join this discussion. iuveno was also thinking about a tool that would replace ZClasses, since their performance is far too bad. We had a not so good experience with the ZClass-based Kontentor and now that the first part is rewritten in Python we can see the speed-ups (the performance increase can be measured in multiples - real tests need to be done). The reason - in my opinion - that ZClasses are so slow are the huge amount of Acquistion lookups and the save rendering. You can often code things smarter in Python using much less of the "safe" Zope environment, but still providing safety through specific commands. I think Formulator is a great example of how safe the Python programming can be. There are two thoughts here: 1. We are building a wizard that asks you all the necessary questions to generate a basic class framwework. This wizard (which can be used in many other fields - such as installers - as well) is currently being built. We use Formulator a lot and I support the development of it as much as I can (it is a cool product with many cool features). If anyone is interested in helping developing that tool (which will be released under the GPL as all of the iuveno products), then I can make an electronic copy of my personal notes and I setup a CVS. Formulator at Zope: http://www.zope.org/Members/faassen/Formulator Formulator at Sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/formulator/ 2. Phillip Auersperg from bluedynamics.com uses ObjectDomain quiet heavily, since it has a nice JPython API that comes with it. He already built a reverse-engineering tool for ZClasses and is now going to write another tool to automatically generate DBObjects from a UML diagram in ObjectDomain. I am very excited about this tool, since it will make the already fast DBObject development even faster. As soon as Formulator goes into 1.0, I am going to think about binding the Formulator to DBObjects, so you can quickly generate forms for each object. In Berlin in two weeks, we are going to discuss this integration in more detail... Bluedynamics URL: http://www.bluedynamics.com DBObjects/SmartObjects URL: http://demo.iuveno-net.de I am very glad to see that we all have the same vision. We all just need to work more together (especially me included). This way we can have some strikes against the big ones... Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
