On 3/2/10 2:50 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Chris McDonough<chr...@plope.com> wrote:
>> On 3/2/10 1:09 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> > Chris McDonough suggests to ponder further structuring of the ZTK into
>>> > separate sub-sets which might allow us to get better mileage regarding
>>> > maintenance and release management. He gave the example of the
>>> > "Bicycle Toolkit" (zope.component, zope.configuration,
>>> > zope.interface).
>>> We already have had issues with people changing things in ztk.cfg that
>>> broke things in zopeapp.cfg, because they don't want to test it. If we
>>> were to split things further, we'll see more breakage and more
>>> integration issues as people won't bother to test even less.
>> I don't know who "people" are, and I don't know who "they" are, and I don't
>> know who broke what.
>> The reward is increased potential for reuse outside the various Zope
>> stacks. It'd be a lot more palatable for people to see docs and a website for
>> a notional "Zope Form Generation" package that it would be for them to need
>> extract such a thing from "the ZTK" wholesale. Splitting things across
>> functional boundaries like this would put a more reasonable end-user face on
>> zopey things I think. And maybe I wouldn't have to rewrite everything all the
>> time due to people freaking out about things named "zope.*" if they were
>> organized into functional categories.
> I think you're confusing management and reuse (packaging including
> dependencies). We all want people to be able to reuse parts of the
> ZTK. There's broad agreement that we want to clean up dependencies.
> What's being advocated by many of us is that the ZTK be managed as a
> whole (for some definition of the whole that shrinks somewhat over
> time) to allow us to clean things up without causing breakage for
> people using the ZTK.
> No one should have to extract anything from the ZTK, because, AFAIK,
> the ZTK isn't a distribution.
You've both successfully beaten any initiative out of me again. Well done.
Full speed ahead.
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