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On 04/26/2012 01:50 PM, Brian Sutherland wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:06:13PM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: On
> 04/26/2012 04:39 AM, Brian Sutherland wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 07:37:46PM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote:
>>>>> Also, do your branches still pass tests on 3.2.x?  I'm sort of
>>>>> keen to see both zope.schema and zope.configuration join the
>>>>> "2to3-free" camp with zope.event, zope.interface,
>>>>> zope.i18nmessageid, and zope.exceptions (yes,
>>>>> zope.configuration, I'm looking at you next).
>>>> I see you've started doing this in a better and more rigorous
>>>> way than I was. So I'm going to abandon my plans to merge in
>>>> favour of your branches.
>>>> I'd still urge you to have a look at my zope.schema branch,
>>>> which I think solves a real problem with URI fields and Python
>>>> 3. The patch is pretty small.
> My zope.schema branch is largely focused on improving the unittest 
> coverage, while also making the package work with Python 3.2 (i.e.,
> not relying on 3.3's restoration of unicode literals).
> I would be glad to look at your branch;  I had already considered
> making the "native string" fields APIs.  I'm not sure that I agree
> that the ASCII / URI / Id / DottedName fields should have native
> string as its type:  can you help by elaborating there?
>> For DottedName we're basically forced to use native strings as you
>> can import modules with unicode names on python 3:
>>>>> from 漢語 import Español print(Español)
>> <class '漢語.Español'>
>> Id is either a URI or a DottedName. So it must, like DottedName,
>> also be a native string.
>> As for URI, python 3 library functions seem to not care, so we can 
>> choose either:
>>>>> from urllib.parse import urlparse 
>>>>> urlparse('http://www.example.com/unicode')
>> ParseResult(scheme='http', netloc='www.example.com',
>> path='/unicode', params='', query='', fragment='')
>>>>> urlparse(b'http://www.example.com/bytes')
>> ParseResultBytes(scheme=b'http', netloc=b'www.example.com',
>> path=b'/bytes', params=b'', query=b'', fragment=b'')
>> But, for consistency's sake, URI, Id and DottedName should be the
>> same. That makes the best choice for URI a native string.
>> Another more practical argument is that having URI be a "native
>> string" made the porting of zope.configuration to python 3 much
>> easier. There were a few nasty bugs when trying it with URI as
>> bytes.
>> I have no strong argument for ASCII.
>> FWIW, here's the original discussion on porting zope.schema: 
>> https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2011-October/043540.html

Thanks very much for the explanation.  I will plan to merge in your
changes in my branch ASAP.

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