> I'm just a tiny little bit confused here, what is a view and what is a resource - in Zope2 and in Zope3 ? > > Maybe I just don't know enough about Zope3 (or 2), but to me what JM calls a view is a resource, and vice > versa... anyway, I think it's a good idea to have the conceptual discussion now based on use cases, and > here's my 2 cents. Hopefully someone can then explain what's what. > > I'm playing around with Plone2.1 and CPSSkins at the moment. Plone has some very nice new features like > LinguaPlone and the new extended content_actions bar (the bar containing the dropdown menus for > workflow actions, cut/copy/paste, add content and manage translations etc.).
I agree that CPSSkins is a nice solution, and may well become more prevalent in Plone, but as you've discovered, even this won't afford total flexibility in defining exactly what you want. What I'm worried about is this: People, myself included, come to Plone (probably the same story for CPS etc.) and see that it does 80% of what they want. Then they customise the CSS and that gets them to 90%. For the last 10%. They add some templates, 95%, and then they realise that they'll have to change some of Plone's markup in a way that isn't readily customisable. The thing that makes Zope as a platform so attractive, is that they can very easily say, "global_contentmenu.pt is where the menu is" (okay, so finding that is harder than it should be, but once they know...) and they can override that bit of ZPT in a new skin layer in portal_skins. They can do this very easily with portal_skins/custom TTW. A lot of people go with Plone initially based strongly on how easy it is to customise and re-use elements of the UI. I really don't want to take that incentive away from them. Yet, as I understand, if global_contentmenu.pt was implemented as a View, they couldn't customise it TTW and it would be more difficult (in fact, in my journey through the Five and some of the Z3 documentation, I've yet to discover how) to override this even if they were prepared to set up a bunch of directories and XML files. So, whilst CPSSkins probably is a long term better solution for many of the original use cases, it's unlikely to form a core part of the Plone UI in the near future, and indeed unlikely to be appropriate for every type of application. In the interest of evolution, I'd like to find out how to make it as easy as possible for people to override templates that are parts of views. Unfortunately I'm still lost. :) Martin _______________________________________________ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3email@example.com Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com