Bill Welch wrote:
> 
> Eyeballing my problem Data.fs (I kept a copy), I see something different
> than you describe.
> 
> What I take to be the root object (OID 0) refers to a record in what
> appears to an instance of something to do with PTK (OID 57).

Wow, nice dumps...

So the root object contains a reference to oid 57, which appears to be
an instance in Product land having to do with DemoPortal. For instance,
maybe it's the ObjectManager instance related to the Product that goes
into the Control_Panel.Products area.

So...

app.something = app.Control_Panel.Products.DemoPortal
get_transaction().commit()

... just for instance.

Why would somebody do this?  I don't know.

BTW, I think object 2 is the child object list.

> A separate
> record in the PTK related instance (PRI) refers to a record in what seems
> to be the ZDiscussions *ZClass*, not an instance of ZDiscussions.

That's possible.  Still assuming oid 57 is the ObjectManager instance
related to the Product:

app.Control_Panel.Products.DemoPortal.foo =
app.Control_Panel.Products.ZDiscussions.propertysheets.methods.amethod
get_transaction().commit()

Why?  I have no idea.

> Interesting that the first (and problem) record of the PRI has the next
> OID after that of the last OID of the ZClass. Could it have orginally been
> part of the ZDiscussions install? I don't remember when I installed what.

To be honest, I have no frigging clue.  :-)  The "PRI" in your case is
created on Zope startup.  It's the persistent representation of the
on-disk DemoPortal Product in the Control_Panel.  Furthermore, it gets
re-created every time Zope starts (unless you're using ZEO).

There are talks about making on-disk products not have persistent
representations in the control panel products folder (not that this
would help your issue, but it might make things a little simpler).

> See snippets of dump and tranlyzer at end of message. N.B., the Data.fs is
> from an Intel machine (you have to swap bytes on the hex side to read it
> correctly).
> 
> I tried the reinstall, delete instances method with no improvement. It
> didn't seem to me that truncating would have helped me either, considering
> that I would have had to truncate back to and including the root :-).

As I read your problem report, if you wanted to try to solve the problem
via truncation, it seems you would have needed to chop the file at the
byte previous to the beginning of the transaction which first installed
the "PRI".  I presume that was too early of a transaction to be
feasible?  It seems a pretty low number.

Also, I presume this was an older version of Zope?  You imported an
object as superuser, which shouldn't be able to happen under Zope
2.2.X?  Was this an older version of the PTK as well?

> I recovered by exporting all my objects, starting a new ZODB, and
> importing my objects.

Bummer.  :-(  But I still think your problem was caused by app-level
error and not ZODB-level error.  If I had time, I'd examine ZDiscussions
and the PTK to see if I could spot the problem.  But I don't.


> On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> > But problems may happen when an application places instances into the ZODB
> > of non-web-manageable, non-builtin objects as attributes of normal Zope
> > objects.  If these instances aren't cleaned up in the process of the
> > deletion of whatever bit of Python code created them, they're "orphaned".
> > When they're orphaned, some application code may attempt to initialize the
> > object's instance (for whatever reason) in order to make use of them, and
> > because the ZODB can't find the class of the instance, it complains.  It
> > complains by raising an exception.  Zope's supposed to catch this and do the
> > right thing, but it evidently doesn't sometimes.
> >
> > You can "fix it" by restoring whatever class the instance depends on and
> > subsequently use the debugger to delete the instance from the ZODB.  But
> > I've had it happen to me where it was just easier to truncate the
> > FileStorage I was working on than figure out exactly what was going on.
> > This is bad.
> 
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