On 12/22/05, Dennis Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The issue here has had to do with session variables and their iteraction
> with the persistence mechanism and conflicts and multiple threads for the
> same session.  Chris McDonough has pointed out that session variables can
> cause writes and write conflicts even if the only Zope level access is a
> read.  I thought MVCC works out of the box for Zope 2.8.4 which uses ZODB
> 2.3.4. Am I wrong?
> The real surprise was that you can get a write conflict from a pair of
> session variable reads!

The missing detail here is that reading a session object causes a
write to the database to update the last access time for that session
object. So what looks like a plain old read to the application code
above, in-fact includes a write just below the surface. (This is a
design choice so that stale session objects can be removed.)

There are implementation details of TransientObject that attempt to
mitigate some of the pain:

- The access time has a WRITEGRANULARITY. That can help a bit by
avoiding writing altogether some of the time. But still there is need
to write (and so potential contention) each time a boundary of that
granularity is crossed.

- And _p_resolveConflict of TransientObject will most often pick a
state to avoid a conflict error. When it does there is the performance
cost of writing to database but there will be no ConflictError.
However, I've suggested in the past that you should comment out
_p_resolveConflict while debugging consistency problems. What is the
current state of your _p_resolveConflict now? _p_resolveConflict
includes a DIWM'ly component. Perhaps you still need to avoid that
component of _p_resolveConflict? In that case a _p_resolveConflict
could be engineered that can resolve the case of just updates to the
access time? But still bails out when presented with two states that
have explicit updates to maintain consistency.

Though that's all just conjecture till we see your tracebacks for your

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