Gaute Amundsen schrieb:
On Friday 09 March 2007 09:40, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Gaute Amundsen schrieb:
On Thursday 08 March 2007 17:27, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Gaute Amundsen schrieb:

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First I got a ValueError 'query' when using a very simple zsql method.
(consisting of only "<dtml-var sql >")
Thats a very bad idea. Better make zsql methods
for every query
I know the orthodoxy :-/
I'd rather have a proper DB library, (or model layer, if you will)
and build my SQL in python.
So you want to use SQLAlchemy? Feel free to write a product
as wrapper :-)

Hm.. have never quite gotten around  to writing my first product.
Looks like a very nice candidate, but no promises :)

To build anything complex or generalized in dtml is a PAIN.
Is it? Can you come up with examples?

INSERT INTO <dtml-var tabell sql_quote> SET
<dtml-in expr="felter.keys()">
  <dtml-let key=sequence-item value="felter[key]">
    <dtml-unless sequence-start>,</dtml-unless>
    <dtml-var key sql_quote> =
    <dtml-if expr="same_type(value, 1)">
      <dtml-sqlvar value type="int">
    <dtml-elif expr="same_type(value, 1.0)">
      <dtml-sqlvar value type="float">
      <dtml-sqlvar value type="string">
<dtml-var sql_delimiter>

and that is not _really_ complex is it?

Well, it looks a bit silly - I mean you make
a hand-written ORM? This would be the time to
either write a real ORM as product or try
some of the available: ZPatterns, Archetypes, ...

Usual database interacting zope solutions
have only a handful insert places where you
need bulk inserts. And even then you can just
call one ZSQL method (per table) in a loop
to insert your values from a list.

More, sql_quote does not really work
for tablenames or column names - it
may work by accident for MySQL though,
but not for standards compliant databases.

There's the whole sqlgroup thing.

Well to be honest I never used it ;)

dtml is after all depreciated, so I can see no reason to learn it as torougly as ZSQLMethods obviously requires when I can use python instead.

You always can but what do you gain? How does your python script
code look like for the above problem?

And a sea of too specific templates is even worse.
Well from some level of complexity you could also use
database functions. But if its so complex, why using

Don't see quite what you mean here, but it would be just the same problems with PGsql.

Not direct related but if you have complex queries,
e.g. join over many tables, partial indexes, subqueries, ...
it may be a bit hard to get reliable performance with MySQL.
I think it was related to different views at the word "complex

instead of
rebuilding your own (obviously not working)
templating for SQL.
I's not a template, it's a wrapper to get around the whole mess.
A hack in fact ;)

If a template this simple "<dtml-var sql >" is "obviously not working"
then it is ZSQLMethods that have a problem, not me.
No, the content of your variable sql is wrong :-)
<dtml-var sql> would indeed work if it contains valid sql

It did not. That was the whole point of this mail.

The method was "<dtml-var sql >" and the sql was "select * from foo"
care to spot the invalid code in that?

wait... your variable really is named "sql"? Maybe that is
the problem. I did not verify this but it could be. DTML
is sometimes weird ;)

(it's working fine now.)

Quoting is done automatically
when you use <dtml-sqlvar ...>
I can use sql_quote when I need to, thankyou.
this does not need to work identical - but current
adaptors indeed do their handmade quoting.

The only thing that I worry about is transaction support.
"insert foo; select last_inserted" works when built inside the template
with dtml, but not with the exact same statement passed to this
"wrapper". Probably another bug, but I have not taken time to dig
properly into it yet.
Yes, MySQL doesnt want ; as sql-delimiter. It rather wants \0 and sql
methods hack around it for you if you put the template there.

Hm.. interesting, but I looked into it a bit, and I can't find where this happens.
I see that ZRDB/ does: argdata['sql_delimiter']='\0'
Tried a "query = query.replace(';','\0')" at line 444, but to no effect :)

Interesting. I must admit the whole ZSQL Code is very old and ugly
and I even removed some parts in my private installations ;)

I guess this could be a problem with LAST_INSERT_ID, forcing me to use ZSQLMethods, or dome ugly workaround for inserts, where I need the id afterwards.

Last_insert_id is really part of the uglyness of mysql. But you would
work around with distinct ZSQL Methods. See these methods as interface
and really methods of your database to interact with your data model.

Transactions are maintained thrughout your session (read: request)
so there is no need to squeeze it all into one ZSQL call. Every
subsequent ZSQL call inside your request will be in the same
database transaction.

No plans to squeze it all into one huge SQL statement. Now THAT would be ugly!
but python errors does not trigger rollback it seems. I guess only sql errors would do that?

No, every transaction is rolled back if it bubbles up to zpublisher.
(ZODB, external databases, ...)
If it does not, then there is a bug in the DB adaptor or the database.
This would be risky especially in cases where ZODB conflict handling
jumps in and requests are retried.


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