I thought the restriction was that both the Production database server and
Backup server (where the BCVs get mounted) had to be Solaris, but that the
TSM server could be on a third server of any type.
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William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
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Jason,
I completely agree with you.
The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC.
But, I think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus
running on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is
the
preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not
the fact
that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with TDP for
EMC if
TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
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Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder
function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an
EMC/Sun
solution represented the larger market share of what customer have
installed.
ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix
sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions.
Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first.
If
people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software
for
there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon
then
!!
There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one
wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration,
and
no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe.
Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I
understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers.
There has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this
space.
The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy.
Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the
market
before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's
hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing
take time.
Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore
apart
from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to
show
it working and give hands on to those who want to know more.
Jason
PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp.
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From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Also, as an fyi...
> Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported when
> TSM is running on
> an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's actually only supported for
Oracle
> databases running on a
> Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors
> usually make things work for
> their products first then make it compatible with other systems? I
think
> IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together
> on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be accurate...
The
> TDP for EMC Oracle is used
> only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS flash
> copy). So, to use the TDP you can
> do online backups of a copied volume... hmmmm... no thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Denis L. L'Huiller
> 973-360-7739
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> J Bamford
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>
>
> I think a little clarification is needed.
>
> LAN-free with the B/A client does Backup and Restore through the SAN.
Also
> the API client can do backup/restore through the SAN.
>
> I understand there is one TDP product for EMC using the timefinder
function
> that backs up LAN-free, but must restore over the LAN. All other
products
> do not have this limitation.
>
> I say again this limitation is on the TDP EMC/Oracle, and does not
effect
> LAN-free as a whole.
>
> Jason Bamford
> Tivoli Software
> Pan-EMEA Storage Product Specialist
> IBM Certified Specialist - AIX
> Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jozef Zatko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
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>
> > Petur,
> > you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of
> > configuration. Is it true???
> > According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it
something
> > special with Connectrix?
> > Or am I missing something?
> >
> > Ing. Jozef Zatko
> > Login a.s.
> > Dlha 2, Stupava
> > tel.: (421) (2) 60252618
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 05.03.2002 09:42
> > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"
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> >
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
> >
> >
> > hi Denis
> >
> > if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats
> > spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not
> > youre
> > restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have
> > lost
> > 75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that
> > relay
> > matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same.
> >
> > This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out.
> >
> >
> > Kvedja/Regards
> > Petur Eythorsson
> > Taeknimadur/Technician
> > IBM Certified Specialist - AIX
> > Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional
> > Microsoft Certified System Engineer
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700
> > Borgartun 37 105 Iceland
> > URL: http://www.nyherji.is
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
> > Denis L'Huillier
> > Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in
our
> > environment.
> > I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN
vs.
> > the
> > LAN/WAN but
> > am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment
and
> > EMC
> > Connectrix Environment.
> > Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment?
> > Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to
> > implementing LANFREE backups?
> > Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated
to
> > a
> > 'LANFREE' backup?
> > How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a
client
> > (like collocation) or will other
> > clients have access to write data to the same volser?
> > How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric?
> > Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > TSM Environment:
> > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
> > 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives
> > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
> > 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives
> > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
> > 3494 5 Frames 6 Scsi Drives
> > 1 H80, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 4.1 - SSA Disk
> > 3494 6 Frames 6 Scsi Drives
> >
> > SAN Environment:
> > EMC Symmetrix ( 8730, 8830, 4 3930's, 3700 )
> > EMC Connectrix - 12 Switches
> >
> > Client/Server Environment:
> > 600 + Servers (HPUX, Solaris, NT, Win2K)
> > approx 200 EMC SAN attached. (No BCV's used or SRDF.. yet)
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Denis L. L'Huiller
> > 973-360-7739
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
>
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