So from the below, can I take it that you're a big proponent of the .NET
framework since database access is built into the framework *AND* the framework
is embedded in the database?
The "crazy like a fox" way to build an AGI may very well be to write it in
the .NET framework in the SQL engine of a database server.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Clark
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few
non-religious comments!)
Unless the database is built into the language then using a database, outside
the AGI, will never work. The data and code connection must be within the
same development system. The overhead of sending, parsing, optimizing the
query, getting the data, preparing the result set, sending it back to the
original program, and then putting the result into useful variables is just too
much.
There are alternatives that can give an extremely fast data access, full
language and other qualities necessary to creating an AGI out there.
MySQL is not only slow, but has no language capable of creating anything.
Lisp, Python, C++ etc don't have the necessary power tools to create much of
anything without starting everything from scratch.
Some manipulations for any large project (AGI) can be done in memory but
without a scalable and flexible way of storing and retrieving large amounts of
data from disk, no AGI is going to be built using conventional computers any
time soon.
David Clark
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Waser
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious
comments!)
>> Incidentally, for those things (scalable write/search/read of large data
sets) which existing database engines do well, which one would you recommend?
Hmmm . . . . am I dumb enough to incite a database holy war? . . . . .
Yeah, I am.
Let me phrase it this way . . . . I have extensive experience with MySQL,
Microsoft SQL Server, Oracle, and PostgreSQL. MySQL is simplest and free.
PostgreSQL is awesome and free though the tools aren't quite as friendly as
Microsoft and it doesn't scale up quite as far as Microsoft yet -- though it
probably scales further than anyone on this list really needs. Microsoft has
the best tools and the easiest integration with many things. Oracle scales
further but it's tools are not as good and it has some really odd capability
holes.
Or . . . . Never sneer at MySQL if someone wants it and it fulfills your
requirements (though it won't cut it for AGI fairly quickly). If you're a
LAMP/*nix aficionado and hate Microsoft, go PostgreSQL. If you're a
Microsoftie, it's not a bad way to go and has many advantages. But don't use
Oracle, the scaling advantage is *NOT* worth the costs (money, time, effort,
and frustration).
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