On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:41:53 -0400, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Youness Alaoui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> yes, I agree, but what is simpler for the users : >> do 'apt-get install tcl8.4-dev tk8.4-dev' >> or >> go to this link http://debian.org/.... and read about it to download >> tcl/tk dev packages > > Yes, I used apt as an example because > a) I'm good with Ubuntu :P > b) on another distro that would have been quite the same, excepted > gentoo, I > think; but if you can run Gentoo, then you can figure it out yourself ;) > no judgement here, I also use apt :P but what I meant by the above is that, yes, we must give the commands to the users instead of just redirecting them to the guide for their packaging system... >> I think we should keep it modular as I said, yes, make it universal, but >> that's why article based is so great, you give generic instructions, >> with >> the 'install tcl/tk dev packages' being a link to another article that >> would explain how to do it per platform, > > That's not a bad idea, but I wouldn't want that modularization became > fragmentation. > If you can keep the most you can in the same article user would be less > puzzled. Moreover he can see *how many* commands are needed to do what he > wants > I agree with you, I'm also worried about fragmentation, which is why we need to find the best balance, fragmentation vs. modularity, try to do something in the middle. >> or itself be a dispatch article >> that would dispatch you to the appropriate article for you distro... >> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/userwiki/index.php/Enabling_antialiasing <-- >> many things to improve ? >> commands are with --enable-64bit ? > > I'm not on 64 bits, but that works ok, btw > I took the commands from the guide I linked at the top of the page, > compiling that way I never had problems... > cool >> many typos... > > huh :P > :P >> the '(yes, I copy&pasted here :p)' in Downloading Tk, might confuse >> some >> people into thinking they have to copy paste with 'nameofpackage.tar.gz' >> or something.. try to make it look professional, not 'familial'... > > huh. I like putting stupid comments :D > me too, on the forums for example, on irc, on msn.. but for a 'guide', it should stay official/professional! sometimes small things could still be allowed to make the article less boring, but it shouldn't be too much ;) >> for the prerequesites, you say you need to install the dev packages for >> tcl/tk 8.4, but it's not true, if the user follows the link, he'll >> install >> dev packages OF tcl/tk 8.4, while he only needs the dependencies... > > Actually the Dev_Packages (typo: capital P, fixed) link tells him how to > install *build dependencies* for tcl/tk8.4 > but you're right I was not clear, there > if the user follows the link, he might think he needs to read it all... that's what I mean by confusion... >> the best way to do it is to use 'apt-cache show tk8.4' and see what ARE >> those dependencies.. > > in Dev_Packages he's told to use build-dep, which will install all the > build > dependencies without any effort :) > no, what I meant is that there are no build dependencies!!! so no need to talk about build-dep, it only makes the whole thing more complicated.. there is no dependency (apart from libc and xlibs as mentioned below, but those should be on any system!!! ) >> you'll see it's only libc, and xlibs (or libx11), so >> you could be pretty sure, there is no dependency, so this whole thing >> could be removed, leave only the xft thing, and as we just said above, >> make it 'Prerequisites' and 'you need to install xlibs and xft-dev' >> which >> would link to a how to install xft-dev... > > is xft-dev required? I'm not sure... > no idea, ask in #tcl channel maybe... >> you talk about 'launching amsn with its usual name, amsn, will give you >> a >> segfault'... first, you don't need to say that... it makes our >> reputation >> bad... > > Well, that's what happens :D > I didn't explain *why* this happens, which is quite normal; that could be > completed explaining it's not a bad behaviour, just a consequence of > binding > amsn to tcl8.5 (I'm right here, aren't I?) > I don't think it gives you a bad reputation; it just makes things clear. > Moreover, when a user says "oh, I have a segfault" maybe he'll remember > of > the guide and will see he's forgot something... > Anyway, if you really dislike it, just remove it ;) > well, you could say "might crash" instead of segfault.. + most of the users who had this issue on the forums say that amsn never opens, not that it shows segfault.. rare are those who use the console... unfortunately :( >> secondly, I may have found a way to avoid this segfault.. I'm still >> testing it.. > > Well, once you have, we can safely remove the whole segfault thing... > it's done! follow the ML, I announced it already (with a Added/Removed on it in the 0.96 TODO thread) this means it can be removed! :) > > bye :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Amsn-devel mailing list > Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- KaKaRoTo _______________________________________________ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
