>At any event, if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who should it be for?
Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis, B'Deshis--who?
I think this is one the major
difference of your above view and mine and many others. According to
my view, (and hopefully majority views) Assam is not only
for the Assamese. But Assam is for all those people,
Assamese, Bengalis, Bodos, Nepalis, Biharis, Marwaris, Bangladeshis, and all
others who legaly reside in Assam.
I donot subscribe to your above
narrow Assamese nationalistic feeling which is simply deviding the people of
Assam.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING
INDIA: LYNGDOH
**** Whoever wrote :"Today also
Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are telling the same
thing:"
I fail to see where did I say it is
their sin when I say the above?
I am just showing tne range of Assam
political thinking?
Where is the sin?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:43
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING
INDIA: LYNGDOH
Who is talking about Sumanta's sin?
**** Whoever wrote :"Today
also Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are telling the same
thing:"
How did Sumanta C get lumped with Tarun Gopgoi, Mamoni Goswami, Mukul
Mahanta and Chandan Mahanta?
>but I did not know that
you are a supporter of his vews on Assam for Assamese.
**** Do you know that now? And if so, how? What did I say for you to
conclude that?
At any event, if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who should it be for?
Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis, B'Deshis--who?
At 12:38 AM -0600 12/26/05, Barua25 wrote:
PS: BTW, what is Sumanta's sin? He is a
nephew you know, son of a first cousin? You may not know this yet, but he
is the newly appointed Editor of Dainik Asom. He joins yet another Mahanta
of Namti, Manjit, another son of a first cousin, who also is the Editor of
Asomiya Pratidin. You moderate and wise democratic guys in the middle are
surrounded by this tribe of Pol- Pot wanna-be's and extremists or
what :-)?
He is like a brother to me, and I respect his multitalents,
especially his contribution to the Assamese language I donot necessarily
support his Assam for Assamese Jatiotabadi writings. It does not
matter whether he is your nephew ort not, (which I did not, and need
not, know), but I did not know that you are a supporter of his vews
on Assam for Assamese. Thanks for letting us know.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25
; assam@assamnet.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
Merry Christmas Rajen!
May Peace reign on earth!
And thus I start the morning of this auspicious day although
it is gloomy outside in St. Louis with the forecast of a slight chance
at snow.
To set things straight, I did not wish to put you in a spot
by asking for a bearing on your position/s.
I raised the issue only because you picked out a
bunch of names whose views you denigrate with while denying any intent
to club them together, but raising the issue of a VOID in the
'middle'--thus implying the rest are extremists.
Under the circumstances reasonable people, not to mention
extremists, could suspect you might be a one of the wise ones holding
moderate views for countering the ills of 'democracy' as Lyngdoh sees
them. Your dedication to democratic values, worn not only on your
shirt-sleeves, but other positions in plain sight as well, could not be
missed by any netter but the legally blind. It was therefore a surprise
to see your endorsement of Lyngdoh's 'intellectual' outburst against
'democracy' in India.
I am sure I was not alone in wondering if we are speaking
the same language.
But I shall not harass you any more. You explained things
clearly as mud.
Take care,
c :-)
PS: BTW, what is Sumanta's sin? He is a nephew you know, son
of a first cousin? You may not know this yet, but he is the newly
appointed Editor of Dainik Asom. He joins yet another Mahanta of Namti,
Manjit, another son of a first cousin, who also is the Editor of Asomiya
Pratidin. You moderate and wise democratic guys in the middle are
surrounded by this tribe of Pol- Pot wanna-be's and extremists or
what :-)?
At 12:46 PM -0600 12/24/05, Barua25 wrote:
>Philosophy is a fascinating subject. I don't denigrate it.
But right this instance we have little use for it in these
discussions. "Jwre >puri haat paalehi" -- time to do something
wouldn't you think?
Philosophy, as
well as history, are important in the fight in
order to know the enemy.
Almost hundred
years ago, Ambika Giri RaiChoudhury also told the same thing: "Jwre
puri haat paalehi, time to do something. Oxom morile amiw morim"
.
In 79 Assam Gono
Andwlon also Assamese said the same thing: "Jwre puri haat
paalehi--time to do something. Oxom morile amiw
morim"
Today also
Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are telling the same
thing: "Jwre puri haat paalehi-time to do something.Oxom morile amiw
morim"
Chandan Mahanta
is also telling the same thing: "Jwre puri haat paalehi--time to do
something"
But unless you
know what is the right thing to do, you will be simply
loosing 25 years this way, another 25 years that
way.
Communism,
as proposed by the Mahantas, is definitely not the
solution.
Hatred of India,
as proposed by the Mahnats, is not the solution.
Doom for India,
as proposed by the Mahantas, is not the
solution.
This I learnt
from my lessons in philosophy and history.
Quicker you guys
realize that the better.
I don't have
any intention to loose another 25 years spending in arguments on
the wrong debate.
I have better
things to do with people
who donot hate
India,
who are against
Communism,
who are for
freedom of the individual,
who are against
slogans
who want to find
the solution based on rational analysis.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:34
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
I am not seeking your predictions here Rajen. Regardless
of the prescience of amateur or even professional seers, they
are at best idle speculations.
Positive change can come only with participation and
involvement of those who know better. In that, my question is where
do you stand with your contributions to the positive changes, which
I gather even if only indirectly, that you too would like to see in
Assam?
And what would those changes be that you would
like to see? How do you see a process for such changes put in place
and moved forward?
Philosophy is a fascinating subject. I don't denigrate
it. But right this instance we have little use for it in these
discussions. "Jwre puri haat paalehi" -- time to do something
wouldn't you think?
c
At 9:51 PM -0600 12/23/05, Barua25 wrote:
In my opinion, the reason why there won't be any major
change in India, in spite how pessimistic or optimistic one feel
about India, is because of the age old characteristics of the
Indians. Indians are too imaginative as opposed to being rational
like the Chinese. We Indians think too
much.
In fact, I
could not find a single event, since the Gupta Empire, that we
Indians did as a nation in the political scene, as a
proactive action other than going by inertia letting things happen
as it may come, each doing Karma being in his/her
own station, letting the chips fall wherever they will.
Of course there had been side actions of the Ahoms, the
Rajputs and many others, but these are foreigners to be absorbed
into the black hole of Hinduism where imagination take control of
the real world and make the Indian blind to see the real world.
Even our struggle for independence was, in my opinion, a war
fought out of inertia.
As one
philosopher puts it
"In the
Indian world there is, so to speak, no object that can be regarded
as real, and firmly defined - none that was not at its
first apprehension perverted by the imagination to the very
opposite of what it presents to an intelligent
conscienousness...... Among the Hindoos, on the contrary - instead
of Unity - Diversity is the fundamental characteristic." -
Hegel.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:13
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
>But
before that there is no doubt India is destined to play a
leading role as an advanced country in the not too distant
>future.
**** I am sure that will please all those who are
not in the receiving end of what Lyngdoh rails about and are
clamoring for a seat at the table of world's 'powers'. But for
the rest it is 'eat cake', isn't it? Unfortunately the eat-cake
crowd is growing, not receding. Something tells me it will
assert itself sooner than later. And Assam will be in the thick
of it if not in the forefront.
At 4:23 PM -0500 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Chandan
I do not
find anything to disagree with you.I can only hope that
Lyngdoh's thinking will inspire the coming generation to find
a way out of the present morass in our body politic. I do not
think it will happen in our lifetime. Politics is ever
unpredictable. Gorbachov did something unthinkable to
Communism.According to some researchers, India is bound
to disingegrate in course of time. But before that there is no
doubt India is destined to play a leading role as an
advanced country in the not too distant future. I do not think
Assam is going to be a major player in
it.
Regards
Bhuban
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