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Ram:
In one recent email, we discussed this very issue,
(That Hindus believe that one has to be
born a Hindu and that they donot convert) and my answer
was same as now:
The Tai Ahoms in Assam, all the
Hindus in South East Asia, to say the least, were all converted to
Hindus. They were not BORN Hindus as you try to cliam.
Even in India, all non Aryans
were were picked up and converted to Hindus en mass at one time or another,
and that is how Hinduism grew. So your assumption that
Hindus donot convert was wrong.
To this you replied that you would
check on this point and would respond.
I donot find the email now. I might
have deleted. But that does not make any difference. If you donot remember, you
may ignore my remarks now and just try to respond to the question now
afresh.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE: Anti-conversion
law in Rajasthan?
>According to the
last email, you were supposed to check and
>respond.
>Just reminding you that you
owe the net a response before >you jump to repeat the same
thing.
>(At least Himenda is silent
on several issues where he could >not respond.)
Could you please explain this or
what you mean by this? Once you give some satisfactory response, I will then
try to respond to the other points.
Till then.
On 4/10/06, Rajen
Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are NOT in
the conversion game because most Hindus believe that one has to be born a
Hindu. They really don't care if someone >converts to Hinduism or
not. My understanding is that Hinduism is quite restrictive in that
sense.
As pointed out in some other
earlier message, your understanding is not correct.
The Tai Ahoms in Assam, all the
Hindus in South East Asia, to say the least, were all converted to
Hindus. They were not BORN Hindus as you try to cliam.
And if you claim Buddhism as a
branch of Hindusim, then all the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Burmese, Thais,
Laosians, Vietnamis wer converted.
Even in India, all non Aryans
were were picked up and converted to Hindus en mass at one time or
another, and that is how Hinduism grew.
It was the big fish
eating the little fish. The history of Hinduism
is very clear on this.
According to the
last email, you were supposed to check and
respond.
Just reminding you that you owe
the net a response before you jump to repeat the same
thing.
(At least Himenda is silent on
several issues where he could not respond.)
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:32
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Good oints Ram-dda,
I think the Supreme Court justices took the same view as you.
>The Hindus know that in the Conversion game, they
will loose >because they have nothing to show to these poor
Muslims.That is >sad but true.
IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are NOT in the
conversion game because most Hindus believe that one has to be born a
Hindu. They really don't care if someone converts to Hinduism or
not. My understanding is that Hinduism is quite restrictive in that
sense.
>because they have nothing to show to these poor
Muslims.
And what would you like Hinduism to show or promise new
converts? It will be interesting to find out what one "gets" by
converting.
>So Freedom of Religion without Freedom for
Conversion does not >make any sense.
While this is true, it is still difficult to
uphold some kinds of conversion like in forcible
conversions or by promising or enticing the
unwary with cash or other things in this earth, or 79 virgins in
heaven.
About Freedom of Religion, let us extend this a
bit:
What if I think "my religion" requires me to advocate
against gay marriages or abortion. Will any restriction placed on my
practice curtail my Freeddom of Religion?
Just curious.
--Ram
On 4/9/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It (the Freedom to Convert) also goes for
the benefits of the Hindus. They can convert thousands or millions of
poor Muslims in every city in India, if they want to covert.
The only reason the Hindus oppose Conversion, in my mind, is that
the Hindus are not interested to convert these poor Muslims in India to
Hinduism and serve them, because they know that these Muslims are
enjoying a better life of equality being Muslim than being a
Hindu. The Hindus know that in the Conversion game, they will
loose because they have nothing to show to these poor Muslims.That is
sad but true.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:37
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Right to Freedom of Religion is
intricately connected to conversion. For me to change my religion, I
must be influenced by that religion and I will need somebody to
formally accept me in that religion. >From another angle that can
be viewed as conversion. So Freedom of
Religion without Freedom for Conversion does not make any
sense.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006
2:30 PM
Subject: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Please note that Supreme Court in India clarifiied last year
that there is definitely Right to Freedom of Religion but there is
no Right to convert others.The case had been filed by Christian
missionaries who want to convert members of other faiths - mostky
Hindus but also Muslims (in kashmir etc) , Sikhs (in Punjab,
Chhatisgarh etc) and Buddhists . The most famous Sikh to convert to
Christianity -as per reports - was the Sikh King - Dalip Singh who
then settled in London- while under British rule.
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Phone]
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Harvard
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Harvard University,
Class of
2005
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