Well, I wouldn't say lost.  Maybe misplaced. It's such a crowded little
country, isn't it?

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
Mc Donnell
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:08 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney

"I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. 
The
Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual
navigation over the crowded English landscape."

Is that a polite way of saying lost?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Timbrell" <mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au>
To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" 
<aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>; <jar...@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney


> Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks 
> it
> was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny
> Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it 
> was
> an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been
> issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in
> the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the 
> Irish
> team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen.
>
> I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. 
> The
> Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to 
> visual
> navigation over the crowded English landscape.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul 
> Mander
> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM
> To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
> Australia.'
> Cc: 'Mike Timbrell'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
>
> Small world, Jarek.
> Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition 
> number
> 70. That was in 1965.
> In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members
> and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of 
> eight
> that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so 
> it
> must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on 
> the
> fin, in exactly the same style as in the film.
> I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my
> Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great
> friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their
> camps at Forbes.
> We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be 
> careful
> with alignment.
> Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had
> huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome.
> It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its
> thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems
> which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a 
> good
> thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best
> wooden glider ever made.
> Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by 
> Peter
> Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he
> was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic
> display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he
> lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure
> he'll let us know.
> Thanks for the memories.
> Paul Mander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek
> Mosiejewski
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
>
> Something about Fokas but on much happier note.
> Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 
> 1965
> World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective:
> http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html
> If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy
> socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing 
> the
> world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper
> T-wrench.
>
> Regards
> Jarek
>
>
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