On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 21:41 +0000, Andy wrote: > On 05/03/07, George Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was under the impression that the Real Media formats are proprietary > so only Real Networks know how to implement them. I could be wrong of > course. So, your major objection to real is that it isn't free software? Now, I grant you that the Real/Helix split is confusing, but it seems odd, given that they've GPLd shed loads of it, to lump them in the same boat as Windows only programmes, or DRM, or whatever else you lumped them in with - which is why I queried it. Rest of points inline: > > I don't think it supports RTSP (the streaming protocol). At least last > time I tried it it said I needed real player installed. >From what I've seen, sometimes I've got that, sometimes not - so I imagine it depends on the implementation by the content provider - not Real/Helix's fault. > > Back when I used to use Windows I had real security issues with Real > Player. It looked an awful lot like a Trojan to me. Most things on Windows look like trojans to me. The fact that Real looked bad for you on windows doesn't make it bad for me on GNU/Linux or Sol, or whatever.... > If it doesn't do anything bad why is the source code hidden?! A good argument. Here's some source. https://common.helixcommunity.org/2004/devdocs/quickstart https://helixcommunity.org/viewvc.cgi/player/ > There's a free software server capable of Ogg Vorbis streaming. Vorbis recommend the Real stuff (http://www.vorbis.com/software/#linux) 'The Helix Player is RealNetworks's Helix Community Project's player for UNIX (Linux and BSD included). Today, it supports Ogg Vorbis and Theora (as you'd expect) as well as Real's own formats, MPEG and pretty much any other kind of audio/video media you can think of.' However, no-one uses ogg (see James Cridland's mail about Virgin's ogg), and we (the BBC) make stuff that we want people to use. We also make our own codecs, which I'm sure one day we hope people will also use. In the meantime, people do use real. I use Ogg. I'm not all people. The BBC has done ogg trials, and might do them again. It seems curious to blame real for the fact that people don't use ogg, or to ignore their implementation of a free server in favour of an ogg one - or have I got your argument the wrong way around? > I know where there is an Arm board, do I need to shake a stick at it? > Does Real Player run on Arm? http://www.real.com/realmobile/palmone.html Minimum Requirements 1. PalmOne OS5-based device with ARM processor Or, of course, you could build it from src https://community.helixcommunity.org/developers/#source > There's always someone who has an obscure > piece of kit. Yep, and real seems pretty good at running on various bits of kit > > > What's up with it? > > As above. Of course if I am mistaken don't hesitate to correct me ;) Well, I think your main point seems to be 'the BBC should use ogg' - which, if correct, I wouldn't have bothered responding to (this isn't yet, /. as much as it seems like it sometimes) Other points 1) there's some source available under sane licences. 2) Real itself is probably awful on windows - but what isn't? 3) there is an arm versiion precompiled, and you could get your own one built (building helix is a pain, but hey, it's in main, so you could go nuts http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/helix-player.html ) Smiles George - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
