Ok-now some of you have me rethinking my earlier statement about about
not tuning a medium sized lute at 392hz. I have heard a Burkholzer at
392 and it sounded fine. I was thinking before of a case I heard of
where a guy tuned his 77cm baroque lute to a=440(with modern strings of
course). That seems a bit excessive.
By the way on my lute I put the 2nd course as the first and found a .62
gut for the 2nd. Is this too much tension for a 75.5cm d with a=392hz?
I'm looking in your direction Ed Martin...
--Sterling
From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:35 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
I sometimes wonder why I haven't come across much in the way of
contemporary agonisings about pitch standards and compatibility of
lutes with their wide range of scale lengths for a given nominal
pitch. Presumably this would have been a problem for the old guys
too? Or have I missed something?
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Anthony Hind <[2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>; Baroque lute Dmth
<[3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 12:46
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
I think the same applies to lute accompaniment as well if the piece
is
in tablature. Of course if its just a bass line one can transpose
I
suppose but, provided the piece is reasonably within range, singers
are
generally OK to transpose on sight - unless, of course, they're
cursed
with 'perfect' (modern) pitch......
Martyn
--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Anthony Hind <[1][4]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[2][5]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3][6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 12:11
I was rather thinking of a singer being accompanied by a single
lute,
in which perhaps the choice of lute might be secondary and
determined
by the best range, and tonal agreement with the singer. In the case
of
a singer adapting to an orchestra, I imagine you would be right.
Anthony
----- Mail original -----
De : Martyn Hodgson <[1][4][7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
A : William Samson <[2][5][8]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>;
"[3][6][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[4][7][10]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
Anthony Hind <[5][8][11]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Cc :
Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 12h58
Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
Dear Anthony,
Unless outside their range, won't singers simply transpose to
fit
with
the key/pitch of the accompaniment rather than the band having
to
change instruments?
regards
Martyn
--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Anthony Hind
<[6][9][12]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[7][10][13]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
To: "William Samson" <[8][11][14]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>,
"[9][12][15]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[10][13][16]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 11:41
For accompanying singers, also, the answer, unfortunately, is
to
have a
number of different sized lutes.
Anthony
----- Mail original -----
De : William Samson <[1][11][14][17]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
A : Anthony Hind <[2][12][15][18]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>;
sterling
price
<[3][13][16][19]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
Cc : "[4][14][17][20]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[5][15][18][21]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 10h27
Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
As far as I can see the only show-stopper for a lute tuned to
392Hz
is
ensemble work, when the other musicians are tuned to a higher
pitch
standard - usually 415Hz. That's where a 66cm baroque lute
would
be
useful. Having said that, not many lutes that small have
survived.
Of
course, the old guys (unlike me) might have been able to
transpose a
semitone up without any trouble.
Bill
From: Anthony Hind <[6][16][19][22]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
To: sterling price <[7][17][20][23]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "[8][18][21][24]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[9][19][22][25]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 9:06
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
My 70 cm Warwick works well at 392Hz. While going from
407Hz
to
392Hz,
I wanted to raise the tension of the basses slightly, so I
just
shifted
them along one increment (C1 to D2 etc). However, I changed
most
of
the
mid and top strings.
The basses were two years old, but still seem good.
A smaller lute, as Ed suggests, might be better at 415.
Anthony
PS My intuition might be that certain pieces are better
played
at
392,
but perhaps not all.
__________________________________________________________________
De : sterling price
<[1][10][20][23][26]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
A : howard posner
<[2][11][21][24][27]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>;
baroque
lute
list
<[3][12][22][25][28]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 5h18
Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
Hi-After just playing it now, I like the basses but the
1st
and
2nd courses could be higher tension of course so I think
I
will
go
that
way.
Just curious--how many of you are playing baroque lutes
at
A=392? I
think it works quite well on a larger lute, but I'm not
convinced
it
should be done on a smaller lute(ie below 69cm). My
70.5cm
Burkholzer
will stay at 415.
-Sterling
From: howard posner
<[1][4][13][23][26][29]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
To: baroque lute list
<[2][5][14][24][27][30]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:15 PM, sterling price wrote:
> My question is: should I
> just tune the same 415 strings down or get a new set
of
strings
for
> 392?
Yes. Those are pretty much the only two options.
> Right now it is at 392 but I'm wondering if it might
sound
better
> with new strings. Any thoughts?
Do you like it at 392 now?
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