The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 706 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: BMW V8 vs GM V8 (was <e30> speaking of torque) Re: BMW V8 vs GM V8 (was <e30> speaking of torque) <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test USGP - Hugely entertaining interview Creaking etc. Re: Creaking etc. Re: blackbox data
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:41:07 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Andre Yew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: BMW V8 vs GM V8 (was <e30> speaking of torque) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The BMW V-8 is a fine motor. I'd buy one in a moment in a BMW and not change it out. But If I were building a hot rod in the US, doing it with a GM motor is cheaper. Of course there will be complications like getting the OBC to work. Cams alone for the M60 are $2500 or so, and tuning the computer is difficult to impossible. For $500 one can completely edit the GM computer, run speed density, alpha-n, or MAF, control all emissions and OBD II features, adjust misfire sensitivity, knock sensitivity, fuel tank integrity sensing and more. $3000 in the Chevy will buy a cam and valve train, plus ported and polished heads to make the engine deliver 475 to 500 hp. Plus the Chevy with pushrods is much lower and narrower than the BMW engine. Gary Derian > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Gary Derian wrote: >> Not that cheap, but cheaper than a BMW V-8 and the cheapest 400 hp on the >> planet. $6k will buy a low mile dropout with transmission, clutch, >> wiring >> and computer. They are also light weight, not much more than an M20. By >> the time one installs large cooling, brakes, transmission, rear end, >> cage, >> etc, the car will weigh more. > > So is there a good reason for the existence of BMW's V8? From reading > this and other things, it sounds like GM's "old"-tech V8 is the way to go, > instead of a fancy DOHC, 4-valve, VANOS, etc. job. I know that the Ultima > guys recommend the GM V8 small blocks for their supercar kits, too: > > http://www.amerspeed.com/ultima.htm > > > --Andre > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:02:09 -0700 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: BMW V8 vs GM V8 (was <e30> speaking of torque) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> snip! > For $500 one can completely edit the GM computer, run speed density, >alpha-n, or MAF, control all emissions and OBD II features, adjust misfire >sensitivity, knock sensitivity, fuel tank integrity sensing and more. unsnip! ...and don't we all find this completely annoying? Understand the economies of scale..all that. But gosh darn it...I wish had could have my BMW motor and chasis with this level of tinkerablity. Jeff 90 535i, mildly modded and secrets locked in the DME ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a friend that is currently in the process of an LS6 to E24 conversion. He is quite handy and doing all the labor, including fabrication, by himself. He has ran into a pretty serious snag (GM starter interferes with BMW steering hardware) which I don't believe he has solved yet. I would really, really hate to be paying someone by the hour for what he is doing. It would easily cost you the same as a 400hp S38, for example, and then if it is a street car you better hope your local smog guy isn't very attentive. Sure, way more power and power adders are laughingly cheap compared to BMW's but not for the faint of heart. I willsay it is amazing how much farther back the engine sits in the E24. Kevin Kelly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:59:41 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "kjk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is not for the faint of heart, and definitely not worth paying someone to do it for you. You aren't going to get 500 hp from an S38 short of turbocharging, and that is not for the faint of heart either. For 99.99% of the population, the answer is to buy a GTO or an CTS-V if one want a GM engine car, or an E39 M5 if one wants the tuning and handling of a BMW chassis. If it were easy, any one could do it. Gary Derian >I have a friend that is currently in the process of an > LS6 to E24 conversion. He is quite handy and doing all > the labor, including fabrication, by himself. He has > ran into a pretty serious snag (GM starter interferes > with BMW steering hardware) which I don't believe he > has solved yet. I would really, really hate to be > paying someone by the hour for what he is doing. It > would easily cost you the same as a 400hp S38, for > example, and then if it is a street car you better > hope your local smog guy isn't very attentive. > > Sure, way more power and power adders are laughingly > cheap compared to BMW's but not for the faint of > heart. I willsay it is amazing how much farther back > the engine sits in the E24. > > Kevin Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:38:00 -0700 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is someone not faint of heart. Forgive is this is a repost. The vid is amazing - check out the 3rd gear stripes in the last shot. E34 with monster custom turbo done right (or so it seems). video: http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...OO0CYTR7RYQH1MS pics: http://web.telia.com/~u22313386/riippiracing/bilder.htm Jeff 90 535i and dreaming of this sort of torque ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0400 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 6/21/05, Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Again, the rules make sense only when they serve the purpose of the > >F1 enterprise, which is to provide entertainment for the paying > >public. If unforeseen events mean that they no longer do that, then > >it's time to think outside of the rules box. While I agree that the one tire rules is stupid and have said to many that it is dangerous and rediculous at this level of racing. The teams and manufacturers agreed to run this set of rules. What most people seem to miss is that the FIA gave Michelin options on what they could do to run inside the rules. MICHELIN told the FIA the only way they would run is with a chicane. Skip forward to the "show" all the Michelin teams line up there is no chicane. go round for formation lap and the Mich. teams pull into the pits. The show starts and Michelin teams have given the FIA and the fans the finger. No sactioning body is going to have a manufacturer mandate what "rules" they will run within. It is akin to BMWCR, if 3/4 of the drivers dont bring rain tires for the weekend because the forecast said beautiful weather, and it starts raining just prior to the enduro. The racers scream its unsafe for us to run and they pull off the track. They go the the Chief steward and tell him that if they postpone the race for 2 hrs it will be sunny & dry again. The steward is going to tell you to piss off. -- Karl #747KP http://www.elephantmotorsports.com "The Michelin teams' lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is akin to BMWCR, if 3/4 of the drivers dont bring rain tires for > the weekend because the forecast said beautiful weather, and it > starts raining just prior to the enduro. The racers scream its unsafe > for us to run and they pull off the track. They go the the Chief > steward and tell him that if they postpone the race for 2 hrs it will > be sunny & dry again. The steward is going to tell you to piss off. Yeah but nobody paid anything to watch the BMW CR race and you'll probably have 5 pissed off folks that drove a couple of hours to see a race versus the millions of people that follow F1 and the thousands of dollars that some people shell out for the weekend. Yeah there's a rule and everyone agreed to it, blah, blah, blah. The point is they couldn't see ahead enough that that one rule would cause F1 to become a farce. I just accidentally watched some more footage as it ran into another show and saw some guy launching a bottle over the fence and then another shot of a Ferrari hitting a water bottle with a front tire. Yeah great set of rules they have. -Carlos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:18:08 -0400 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Los et al I think anyone with 1/2 a brain knew this tire rule was going to lead to a mess at some point. Another senseless rule is the same engine for 2 weekends. Stupid rules make for stupid senarios. It sucks that we were the lucky recipiants of the screwing that one manufacturer forced upon us. The Michelin teams should have run at reduced speed, (Whether or not it would have been safe to do so is up for debate) or pitted as those were the options they were given by the FIA. They would have suffered some penalty for changing tires but they would be running. The show went on, they chose not to participate! Of course had Bridgestone had a similar problem would there be so much hatered and loathing??? Somehow I think not, I think the line would go. "Ferrari should quit there whining they knew the rules". Because there are only 6 cars with B tires, and only one that is competitive this yr. The CR senario is just to prove the point that no sanctioning body is going to bend to meet the wants of a specific few. Doesn't matter if it's going to irritate 5 people or 5 million. Karl #747KP http://www.elephantmotorsports.com "The Michelin teams' lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One." On 6/21/05, Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is akin to BMWCR, if 3/4 of the drivers dont bring rain tires for > > the weekend because the forecast said beautiful weather, and it > > starts raining just prior to the enduro. The racers scream its unsafe > > for us to run and they pull off the track. They go the the Chief > > steward and tell him that if they postpone the race for 2 hrs it will > > be sunny & dry again. The steward is going to tell you to piss off. > > Yeah but nobody paid anything to watch the BMW CR race and you'll > probably have 5 pissed off folks that drove a couple of hours to see a > race versus the millions of people that follow F1 and the thousands of > dollars that some people shell out for the weekend. > > Yeah there's a rule and everyone agreed to it, blah, blah, blah. The > point is they couldn't see ahead enough that that one rule would cause > F1 to become a farce. I just accidentally watched some more footage as > it ran into another show and saw some guy launching a bottle over the > fence and then another shot of a Ferrari hitting a water bottle with a > front tire. > > Yeah great set of rules they have. > > -Carlos. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:58:44 -0400 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those still following Peter Windsor sums it better than any of us http://speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/17726/ Karl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:59:16 -0700 From: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CsWs wrote: > The CR senario is just to prove the point that no sanctioning body is > going to bend to meet the wants of a specific few. Doesn't matter if > it's going to irritate 5 people or 5 million. CCA CR and F1 are incongruent scenarios. As I mentioned on another list, Formula One is a business that runs a sport. The hundreds of millions of dollars tied up in these events mandates that *the show must go on* and, in the face of adversity, creativity be employed to ensure the public, sponsors and promoters get what they paid for. In the case of Club Racing, the customers are the drivers. In Formula One, they are the fans (and to a similar extent the sponsors who were also fleeced). Michelin did screw up but Monday was the appropriate day for fines, sanctions and penalties. Sunday was the day to compromise, bend the rules and make a race happen. Brian http://www.MotorsportReg.com/calendar/ - non-FIA track events from around the country ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:41:03 -0400 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC List <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 6/21/05, Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There might have been a race, but definitely not a show. The fans pay > for the latter as a form of entertainment. When I flew to Italy last > year, bought a scalped ticket at Monza and stood in the rain waiting for > the F1 race, seeing anything less than the crazy battle I saw would have > been not just a let down but the end of my interest in F1. If that > happens with enough fans, TV coverage goes away, sponsors follow, and > the sport collapses. > > I, for one, would like to see F1 continue (or the GPWC in its place if > they continue to drive the ship ashore like this...). I need an excuse > to travel every year... ;) > > > Brian Brian, I agree. I think the course that Max and the FIA are following is leading to the formation of the GPWC faster than a speeding bullit. As I dont see the need for another CART or IRL series that is "worldwide". F1 is about technology and $$$ you take that away who will care? Unfortunately the teams agreed to the 05 rules and therefore must abide by them. The teams were also in voilation of the FIA rules, by pulling out as they did, if you have been keeping up. -- Karl #747KP http://www.elephantmotorsports.com "The Michelin teams' lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:52:18 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>, "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: USGP - Hugely entertaining interview Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The link below is of a great interview, during the Indy GP, with Paul Stoddart, principal of Minardi and not a man to pull his punches. My friend Pat, who sent the link to the F-List, wrote: >Interview with Paul Stoddart of Minardi, on ITV. EXPLICIT LANGUAGE http://web.bsu.edu/mrpeters/Stoddart_Interview.mp3 Note there is no need for a spoiler tag on the subject because Michelin and the seven dwarfs beat me to it. =========== vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:01:41 -0300 From: "Roger Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Creaking etc. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When turning the steering wheel (most noticeable when the car is stationary) a distinct creaking sound (much like a door hinge that needs oiling) is emitted from somewhere inboard of the driver's wheel. I've replaced the shocks, lower control arms and bushings, stabilizer links and tie rods, but the sound persists. I doubt it's uncommon; perhaps one of you can point me to the culprit. While I'm on the subject of annoying mystery sounds.... when the top is up, there is a pronounced clunking from the rear, over sharp bumps. It sounds much like a loose exhaust knocking against metal, but isn't. Remarkably, the sound seems to have something to do with the roof - perhaps the myriad of metal bits that raise and lower it, yet it seems to emanate from further back, and lower. I had once thought that perhaps the sound is always there, and only audible with the 'benefit' of the enclosed passenger compartment. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It is damned irritating. Roger Langille PEI Canada '97 328ic (about 90K miles) 2000 528it (no creaking, but an occasionally noisy Vanos) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:28:35 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Creaking etc. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:01:41PM -0300, Roger Langille wrote: > While I'm on the subject of annoying mystery sounds.... when the top > is up, there is a pronounced clunking from the rear, over sharp bumps. > It sounds much like a loose exhaust knocking against metal, but isn't. > Remarkably, the sound seems to have something to do with the roof - > perhaps the myriad of metal bits that raise and lower it, yet it seems > to emanate from further back, and lower. I had once thought that > perhaps the sound is always there, and only audible with the 'benefit' > of the enclosed passenger compartment. But that doesn't seem to be > the case. It is damned irritating. Can't say for sure, but I can guess. My e30 ragtop storage compartment cover rattled in its latches until I adjusted them to put just a shade more downforce on it. It was reproducible in the driveway by banging on the top cover a little. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:33:13 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: blackbox data Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds great, doesn't it? Sorry to explain, but from all I know "proper authorization" just means a search warrant is required. Which the police can obtain at the drop of a hat ... Stan Matt Evans wrote: > > Here in ND, we recently had a legislative ruling on black boxes. > > http://www.state.nd.us/lr/assembly/59-2005/bill-text/FALO0500.pdf > > It said, more or less > > "black box data is the sole property of the owner of the vehicle. No > insurance company can require its disclosure, and no legal entity can seize > it without proper authorization" > > Although they're not specific about what that "authorization" is, its at > least nice that you could pretend this was legislation created in the public > interest. ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
