The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 297 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(4 messages) Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose <FS> MCoupe race car Re: <FS> MCoupe race car Re: <FS> MCoupe race car Re: <FS> MCoupe race car Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Re: Insurance woes <E36> M3 Questions Re: <E36> M3 Questions
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:34:55 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brad Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The judge will hear "its OK for my daughter to speed since she went to a racing school" and that won't help. Find a lawyer within walking distance of the courthouse. Was she really speeding? Its tough to plead not guilty if you are. I prefer nolo contendre in those cases. Gary Derian > My 18 year old daughter got a speeding ticket when she was still 16. They > had one of the multi-cop surprise traps set up, in the same location I > pointed out to her several months earlier. They got her with laser doing > 65 > in a 45 on Almaden Expressway for those of you familiar with the area. > After > many months of getting a date to appear, she goes and they say she needs a > parent since she was a juvenile at the time. So yesterday, we go into > Santa > Clara County Superior Court (Ruff Dr). We are hoping for traffic school, > so > it won't be on the record, and insurance won't be impacted. > > The woman judge says traffic school is not an option because of the speed. > She also says that her license could be suspended. When asked how to plea, > daughter looks at me and I think about her getting to school, work, etc. > and > how much I enjoyed the freedom of her driving herself. Admitting guilt at > this point was asking for the known (big fine and possible insurance > whammy) > and the unknown (will they really take away her license). So we plead not > guilty. > > Now we have to decide the next steps. > > First, I don't know what the insurance impact will be if guilty, so I > emailed my agent (Farmers). > > Second, will the DMV really suspend her license for 65 in a 45? What about > the court? > > Third, find a traffic court defense attorney and see what they want to > defend, and what the likelihood of getting off is. > > Any suggestions for an attorney? > > Also, would it help to mention the Street Survival School she took in > September or not? > > Brad Houser > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com (bmw list) Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From Gary Derian > >The judge will hear "its OK for my daughter to speed since she went to a >racing school" and that won't help. > >Find a lawyer within walking distance of the courthouse. > >Was she really speeding? Its tough to plead not guilty if you are. I >prefer nolo contendre in those cases. > >Gary Derian > I would think that it would be a good thing to be able to present that there were no moving violations in the two years since the incident. Perhaps push for something like plead "no contest" and pay the court fees in exchange for dropping the fine... or what would be better, pay the money, but have the event not make it to the driving records. Present the case as young, inexperienced driver gets caught and learns lesson. See, she has been educated and changed her behavior... All this assumes that there have been no other moving violations since the incident. If there have, this approach won't work. -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations and Security [EMAIL PROTECTED] Worcester Polytechnic Institute ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:00:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brad, besides car control, the Street Survival School was supposed to teach your daughter not to drive 65 in a 45 where traffic enforcement is known to operate. Part of that "situational awareness" thing. I suggest you contact the National Motorists Association - join if you're not already a member. They have resources that will help you fight the ticket, including a list of friendly traffic attorneys. Ask about the required safety survey that they're supposed to to (something like) every 3 years to determine if the speed limit is correct. Too bad they didn't use radar, there are lots of ways to discredit a radar reading. Laser is a lot more foolproof. But ask the attorney. http://www.motorists.org/ Finally, I'm sure there are some good bicycle shops in the area, just in case. :^) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:18:05 -0700 >From: "Brad Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> >Subject: Traffic Ticket in San Jose >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >My 18 year old daughter got a speeding ticket when she was still 16. They >had one of the multi-cop surprise traps set up, in the same location I >pointed out to her several months earlier. They got her with laser doing 65 >in a 45 on Almaden Expressway for those of you familiar with the area. After >many months of getting a date to appear, she goes and they say she needs a >parent since she was a juvenile at the time. So yesterday, we go into Santa >Clara County Superior Court (Ruff Dr). We are hoping for traffic school, so >it won't be on the record, and insurance won't be impacted. > >The woman judge says traffic school is not an option because of the speed. >She also says that her license could be suspended. When asked how to plea, >daughter looks at me and I think about her getting to school, work, etc. and >how much I enjoyed the freedom of her driving herself. Admitting guilt at >this point was asking for the known (big fine and possible insurance whammy) >and the unknown (will they really take away her license). So we plead not >guilty. > >Now we have to decide the next steps. > >First, I don't know what the insurance impact will be if guilty, so I >emailed my agent (Farmers). > >Second, will the DMV really suspend her license for 65 in a 45? What about >the court? > >Third, find a traffic court defense attorney and see what they want to >defend, and what the likelihood of getting off is. > >Any suggestions for an attorney? > >Also, would it help to mention the Street Survival School she took in >September or not? > >Brad Houser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:02:09 -0400 From: "Mitchell, Philip S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com'" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(4 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brad, You have a bigger problem than the inconvenience of having to make other arrangements to get your daughter around and a jump in your insurance rates. You have an inexperienced driver that drives FAST! If she was caught doing twenty over in a known speed trap area, how fast is she going when she wasn't caught? And if she is driving a BMW, she is in a car capable of going much faster. The Street Survival school is a great way to help her get the skills that she will need, but you haven't said if she has slowed down since the ticket and the school. You need to find a way to get her time to accumulate experience before she runs out of luck. It isn't the getting from point A to point B that is the problem, it is how to handle the unexpected situation. Slower speed gives a new driver more time to process an unexpected situation and that can be critical. Remember how we drove at that age? Times are different. Cars are MUCH faster and there are A LOT more of them on the road with A LOT more distracted drivers. Keep your kids safe by slowing them down for a couple of years if she hasn't done so by herself already. And good luck with the minor nuisance of the ticket. Phil Mitchell Wheaton, Maryland One daughter driving (and a graduate of the NCC BMW Highway Safety course) And two more in the wings itching to get behind the wheel! ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:18:05 -0700 From: "Brad Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 18 year old daughter got a speeding ticket when she was still 16. They had one of the multi-cop surprise traps set up, in the same location I pointed out to her several months earlier. They got her with laser doing 65 in a 45 on Almaden Expressway for those of you familiar with the area. After many months of getting a date to appear, she goes and they say she needs a parent since she was a juvenile at the time. So yesterday, we go into Santa Clara County Superior Court (Ruff Dr). We are hoping for traffic school, so it won't be on the record, and insurance won't be impacted. The woman judge says traffic school is not an option because of the speed. She also says that her license could be suspended. When asked how to plea, daughter looks at me and I think about her getting to school, work, etc. and how much I enjoyed the freedom of her driving herself. Admitting guilt at this point was asking for the known (big fine and possible insurance whammy) and the unknown (will they really take away her license). So we plead not guilty. Now we have to decide the next steps. First, I don't know what the insurance impact will be if guilty, so I emailed my agent (Farmers). Second, will the DMV really suspend her license for 65 in a 45? What about the court? Third, find a traffic court defense attorney and see what they want to defend, and what the likelihood of getting off is. Any suggestions for an attorney? Also, would it help to mention the Street Survival School she took in September or not? Brad Houser ----------------------------- End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(4 messages) ********** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:29:36 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Oct 27, 2006, at 7:18 AM, Brad Houser wrote: > The woman judge says traffic school is not an option because of the > speed. Unless this has changed dramatically in the last 20 years, it's not true. When I was weeks under 18, I got a 63 in a 35 (in my Dad's old 280ZX - go figure!). Which was, as they say, stupid. My Dad and I had to go to juvenile court and I ended up with traffic school. On the positive side, I have not had a speeding ticket since. > She also says that her license could be suspended. When asked how > to plea, > daughter looks at me and I think about her getting to school, work, > etc. and > how much I enjoyed the freedom of her driving herself. Admitting > guilt at > this point was asking for the known (big fine and possible > insurance whammy) > and the unknown (will they really take away her license). So we > plead not > guilty. > > Now we have to decide the next steps. The next step should be, as Gary pointed out, "get a lawyer." Preferably someone located near the court house who does a lot of business there and has a personal relationship with the judicial staff. Not that that would EVER effect the outcome, of course. :) - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:46:38 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you want to fight the ticket, take Gary's suggestion and get a lawyer who hangs their shingle next door to the courthouse. Also, in SC County, get scheduled for night traffic court at the courthouse on Spring St? off of West Hedding. Lots of interpreter cases and it gets like Let's Make a Deal just to get everyone out of there. If you can delay it for another year it will be three years after the ticket date so it won;t affect her driving record anymore. The National Motorist Association's Guerilla ticket fighting tactics can be a big help. If your daughter really blew out on her license misbehaving on the road, then buy her a bicycle with side saddle bags (panniers) and let her discover that a car is not as necessary as people think it is. In Santa Clara County there is excellent bicycle infrastructure, making it easy to get around for most local travel needs. It will teach your daughter to respect driving as a priviledge, not a right, in the future. Write privately and I can direct you (or anyone else interested) to routing, trail, and safety info for bike commuting in this area. Barry mileage in past year, car: 10,000, bicycles 5,000. Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Oct 27, 2006, at 7:18 AM, Brad Houser wrote: > >> The woman judge says traffic school is not an option because of the >> speed. > > Unless this has changed dramatically in the last 20 years, it's not > true. When I was weeks under 18, I got a 63 in a 35 (in my Dad's old > 280ZX - go figure!). Which was, as they say, stupid. > My Dad and I had to go to juvenile court and I ended up with traffic > school. > On the positive side, I have not had a speeding ticket since. > >> She also says that her license could be suspended. When asked how to >> plea, >> daughter looks at me and I think about her getting to school, work, >> etc. and >> how much I enjoyed the freedom of her driving herself. Admitting >> guilt at >> this point was asking for the known (big fine and possible insurance >> whammy) >> and the unknown (will they really take away her license). So we >> plead not >> guilty. >> Now we have to decide the next steps. > > The next step should be, as Gary pointed out, "get a lawyer." > Preferably someone located near the court house who does a lot of > business there and has a personal relationship with the judicial staff. > Not that that would EVER effect the outcome, of course. :) > - Mark > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:33:41 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: <FS> MCoupe race car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110048949427 Brett Anderson KMS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:11:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <FS> MCoupe race car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sweet car...I wish i was able to do it. David -----Original Message----- >From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Oct 27, 2006 11:33 AM >To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> >Subject: [UUC] <FS> MCoupe race car > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110048949427 > >Brett Anderson >KMS >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:15:40 -0700 From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <FS> MCoupe race car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd love to snag it away from Duane for $101, but I doubt he'll be the only bidder for very long :-) On 10/27/06 11:11 AM, "Maverick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sweet car...I wish i was able to do it. > > David > > -----Original Message----- >> From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Oct 27, 2006 11:33 AM >> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> >> Subject: [UUC] <FS> MCoupe race car >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110048949427 >> >> Brett Anderson >> KMS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <FS> MCoupe race car Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd love to snag it away from Duane for $101, but I doubt he'll be > the only bidder for very long :-) I hope you're not Nigerian or with the SCCA otherwise your bid may be denied. ;-) I've always liked that car. -Carlos 98 M3 <--will do for now but someday, M Coupe.....mmmmmm ____________________________________________________________________________________ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:57:10 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket in San Jose Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ouch! Nasty judges you seem to have out there! I argued probably a dozen tickets in court as a teenager, and a few more later. But I never faced such an apparently absurd situation. Without knowing the reality of the judge's suggestions, I'd get an attorney involved. Are you a member of the NMA?: http://www.motorists.org/ 1. Here in NH, generally, it takes 15 over just to get stopped. Yank a license for 20 over? That would be absurd, even for a 16 year old. Surrounding New England states are similar. 2. I'd be shocked if the DMV would pull her license. DMV's usually have set rules that determine when to suspend a license (total points in a period of time, certain infractions, etc.). Call them and ask the criteria, making sure to ask if it differs for different age drivers (it almost certainly will). It might even be on a website, or on the back of the ticket. Don't identify yourself or your daughter -- call back if you have to. 3. The judge, on the other hand, can pretty much do whatever she wants within certain parameters. She *could* suspend your daughter's license, though that would surprise me. And I doubt she would sentence her to a long suspension. 4. How on earth did she manage to go from 16 to 18 before the first "real" court appearance? I think an attorney would have a shot at getting the thing thrown out on that alone. 5. Can't appear as a juvenile? And if she is 18 now, that doesn't matter any more!? Either California has very different laws, or something has changed since I was a teenager. 6. Hope to heck you get a different judge the next time. Stan > From: "Brad Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My 18 year old daughter got a speeding ticket when she was still 16. They > had one of the multi-cop surprise traps set up, in the same location I > pointed out to her several months earlier. They got her with laser doing 65 > in a 45 on Almaden Expressway for those of you familiar with the area. After > many months of getting a date to appear, she goes and they say she needs a > parent since she was a juvenile at the time. So yesterday, we go into Santa > Clara County Superior Court (Ruff Dr). We are hoping for traffic school, so > it won't be on the record, and insurance won't be impacted. > > The woman judge says traffic school is not an option because of the speed. > She also says that her license could be suspended. When asked how to plea, > daughter looks at me and I think about her getting to school, work, etc. and > how much I enjoyed the freedom of her driving herself. Admitting guilt at > this point was asking for the known (big fine and possible insurance whammy) > and the unknown (will they really take away her license). So we plead not > guilty. > > Now we have to decide the next steps. > > First, I don't know what the insurance impact will be if guilty, so I > emailed my agent (Farmers). > > Second, will the DMV really suspend her license for 65 in a 45? What about > the court? > > Third, find a traffic court defense attorney and see what they want to > defend, and what the likelihood of getting off is. > > Any suggestions for an attorney? > > Also, would it help to mention the Street Survival School she took in > September or not? > > Brad Houser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:51 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Insurance woes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gordo, Where have you been man, there's the law and then there's the enforcement of that law.... two different(indifference) things entirely. There are of course other obvious aspects to this story but I'm not going to get into it here because I'm pretty rabid about the issue. Why don't you find out about your insurance company impounding the second car until you are paid for the damage. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:22 -0500 From: "Chris Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: <E36> M3 Questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am new to the digest and also a relatively new BMW owner and I have a few questions for the group. First, does anyone have a recommendation for a good forum with some good info on E36 M3's? Second, I have a 1995 M3 and am trying to decide on a suspension setup that I can drive on the street as well as autocross with. I have always heard that Ground Control is the best, but I am not sure I am need all of the options available there (or the cost). Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:12:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <E36> M3 Questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> look up the E36M3 mailing list at http://bmw-m.net It's by invitation only, so you have to send an email to Suzy telling her you're not going to waste the list's time with political ramblings when you;'re supposed to talk about E36 Ms Suspension...hmmm, broad question. Define "street?" The potholes of a northern city or the wonderful concrete of Dallas? How much do you autocross? How much do you prize any semblance of comfort? Wanna feel every expansion joint in the road? All factors. Ground control makes good hard core racing stuff, For a street kit, there are many options. You should probably get rides in some representative cars before plunking down cash. Think about how stiff you really want the springs. Race car flat sounds cool, but when you realize that your seat is providing the suspension in the ride, you may change your perspective (after a pricey purchase and installation). Look at the UUC kit as a moderate stiffening, Then consider the Koni or Bilstein plus H&R Springs which is a common setup (OE sport + Koni) if you prefer higher ride height. You can go into coilovers if you're living on smooth roads or don't do a high ratio of street to competition driving. YMMV of course Marc Plante E36 M3/4 75k Unstersteer shift kit, Euro Ellipsoids, SRDs E36 325i, sold @230k Koni, H&R, UUC, B&B, JC chip, Ellipsoids Vienna, VA ----Original Message---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 27, 2006 14:03 To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subj: [UUC] <E36> M3 Questions I am new to the digest and also a relatively new BMW owner and I have a few questions for the group. First, does anyone have a recommendation for a good forum with some good info on E36 M3's? Second, I have a 1995 M3 and am trying to decide on a suspension setup that I can drive on the street as well as autocross with. I have always heard that Ground Control is the best, but I am not sure I am need all of the options available there (or the cost). Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, chris Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
