The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 463 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: OT - current issue of Winding Road
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:01:47 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My daily driver is my 01 325 Touring, and it averages ~22mpg, mostly high-speed local driving (limits are 50mph+ in my area). It's EPA rated 20/29, and my extremes are about 15 (track schools) to 26 (<80mph fwy trips). I don't think the fuel economy was re-rated after BMW changed the diff ratio on manual wagons and convertibles to 3:46. My E24 M6 is mostly a weekend freeway driver, and sees 19-20. Judging by articles in Euro mags, it seems BMW is concentrating their fuel economy efforts on their 4-pot gas and diesels, and letting the larger engines take performance honors. IMO, even their 6-pot diesels could do better in the economy department, though their performance figures are what make me lust after something with the new twinturbo 3.0 diesel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 2000 328Ci's best gas mileage is 29 MPG, its actual highway rating, driving north on 101 from Santa Barbara to the Bay Area averaging about 70 MPH. I think it will get slightly better gas mileage going south into LA, but I've not done a controlled test (full tank to fill up), and the OBC is wildly optimistic sometimes claiming up to 33 MPG. Cruise control seems to help quite a bit. It gulps gas going around town, averaging 17 tp 18 MPG. I just placed an order for an 08 Porsche Cayman, which is said to get 32 MPG on the freeway. I love it: it's slightly smaller than my current engine, is more efficient, and makes 50 more HP. If they add direct fuel injection to the 08 model year (no one knows yet), then the mileage and power will get even better. Pretty darn amazing, even if it's not exactly an apples-apples comparison. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:05:57 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've had a Mini non-S with CVT since December. At first, leaving it in Sport (which holds the tach at 3500 rpm) and having lots of fun, I was getting 26-27mpg. Since my speeding ticket in Feb :(, I've been leaving it in Weenie (holds the tach at 2200rpm) and doing no more than 80mph. I got 30.9 on the last tankful. Donna On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > <snip> I have been > driving a Mini Cooper S for a few months...I expected better gas > mileage, > does the non-S get a lot more? > > Alex > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bbarry >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:16 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com >> Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks >> >> One thing's for sure, it will continue to give the same lousy gas >> mileage. >> Barry > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 07:52:42 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've seen this discrepency too, and I think at least part of it is the calibration of the mpg function. This _is_ adjustable withing a certain range (not enough to compensate for larger injectors). The thing with BMW engines is an almost unnaturally large correlation between deeper throttle inputs and lower mpg. The delta with my 750 is absurd... my daily commute which has stop-and-go and fun twisty bits brings a horrific average of 12.1mpg, while a highway trip with cruise control set at 75-80mph will easily register around 21mpg. I tried an experiment the other day, "Driving Miss Daisy" style on the same commute home, watching the mph gauge and short shifting (and being passed by one-armed geriatrics in wheelchairs). Average showed 15.6mpg. Awesome! Next morning, the simple act of starting the car (and the cold-cycle fuel dump) instantly dropped it to 14.3mph. Ugh! What to do? Enjoy the fact that it can take 89 octane and drive it mostly when it's fun to drive. My '98 M3, with my not-so-light right foot, sees 17-ish, while a friend's '97, driven mostly the same way, "displays" 23mpg. I don't trust his OBC display as per my opening statement. Supposedly, the S54 in the E46 M3 is capable of great efficiency, one assumes only when driven carefully. I'll monitor that when Brett finishes up the swap into my E36. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jim, > > My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI (similar > setup). I generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about > 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, I avg. 21.8mpg religiously > tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 M3's, however, to > have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 local > kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One gets > 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. > > Could the software throw this off? > Grant Cagann ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:13 -0700 From: Donna Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, how do you do that?? Is it mostly highway? I've never gotten more than 22mpg in any of my BMWs, from the '89 325 to the E36 M3s - and they had tall-geared automatics*. Donna *STFU, the track car has a manual. On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Matt Bader wrote: > Before the supercharger upgrade I was getting about 24 MPG overall, > also, > and with a heavy foot. > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:18:18 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's what I used to get on the 95 commuting from SF to SV. Now I'm lucky to get 8mpg. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Seeley Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:09 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks Wow, how do you do that?? Is it mostly highway? I've never gotten more than 22mpg in any of my BMWs, from the '89 325 to the E36 M3s - and they had tall-geared automatics*. Donna *STFU, the track car has a manual. On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Matt Bader wrote: > Before the supercharger upgrade I was getting about 24 MPG overall, > also, > and with a heavy foot. > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:33:27 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Donna Seeley wrote: > *STFU, the track car has a manual. > Yeah, like THAT excuse is gonna fly. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free motorsports classifieds at JustRacing.com! http://www.justracing.com/classifieds ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:02:36 -0700 From: "Grant Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Alex Cagann'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Jim Tilley'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'bbarry'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim, My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI (similar setup). I generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, I avg. 21.8mpg religiously tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 M3's, however, to have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 local kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One gets 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. Could the software throw this off? Grant Cagann -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:55 PM To: 'Jim Tilley'; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. I have a 2001 M3 convertible that gulps down gas in the mid teens per gallon. The non-M E46 325 convertible I am driving, the window sticker says 19mpg average, I am seeing about the same at the pump (18-19 city, 22-24highway). I drove a 2000 M5 for two months, and got about 14mpg (also had a 2002 for a few months...the same there too), wasn't pretty. How can an M car, almost 10 years old get better gas mileage than a 2004 325 (as noted, it's published on the window sticker)? Not saying you are wrong or I am right...just writing my previous experiences. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:26 PM > To: Alex Cagann; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > Alex, > > Usually a reader of this newsgroup but I beg to differ with your below > assertion. I drive a 1999 E36 M3 with a chip/CAI and some suspension > improvements. Run a 210 mile stint at each end of the week with city type > driving in between. Get 24.5 mpg consistently and stay at the head of the > traffic flow. So what are you basing your below comment on? > > "Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-)" > > > Cheers, > > Jim Tilley > E36 M3 > SSB/LS Z3, #94 > #93 SM (Sorry about the off brand) Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:11:37 -0500 From: "Eric Giles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just picked up an '02 X5 4.4i. The MPG economy meter rarely touches the 20MPG mark, even at steady state 70MPH cruise. I am absolutely loving the thing, but I question myself on buying it when gas is now hitting $3 a gallon again. The E30 M3 averages around 24-25MPG, with a best of around 28 on the highway. But for now, I will pay the extra for the poorer fuel economy and superb comfort the X5 provides. Eric Giles '88 M3 '02 X5 4.4i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:17:40 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hitting? Try $3.47 for regular in the PRC. Makes filling up the Avalanche a $100 jolt. But then it's still cheap compared to the UK. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Giles Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:12 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks I just picked up an '02 X5 4.4i. The MPG economy meter rarely touches the 20MPG mark, even at steady state 70MPH cruise. I am absolutely loving the thing, but I question myself on buying it when gas is now hitting $3 a gallon again. The E30 M3 averages around 24-25MPG, with a best of around 28 on the highway. But for now, I will pay the extra for the poorer fuel economy and superb comfort the X5 provides. Eric Giles '88 M3 '02 X5 4.4i Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:35:59 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:17 PM, Marco Romani wrote: > Hitting? Try $3.47 for regular in the PRC. Makes filling up the > Avalanche > a $100 jolt. At least diesel has finally sunk down below regular unleaded where it belongs. I got pretty tired of paying more-than-super the last couple of years. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free motorsports classifieds at JustRacing.com! http://www.justracing.com/classifieds ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:15:19 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is that mpg calculated by the car or by hand? The car's math can be off if different size injectors are being used than stock. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:03 PM To: 'Alex Cagann'; 'Jim Tilley'; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks Jim, My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI (similar setup). I generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, I avg. 21.8mpg religiously tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 M3's, however, to have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 local kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One gets 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. Could the software throw this off? Grant Cagann -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:55 PM To: 'Jim Tilley'; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. I have a 2001 M3 convertible that gulps down gas in the mid teens per gallon. The non-M E46 325 convertible I am driving, the window sticker says 19mpg average, I am seeing about the same at the pump (18-19 city, 22-24highway). I drove a 2000 M5 for two months, and got about 14mpg (also had a 2002 for a few months...the same there too), wasn't pretty. How can an M car, almost 10 years old get better gas mileage than a 2004 325 (as noted, it's published on the window sticker)? Not saying you are wrong or I am right...just writing my previous experiences. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:26 PM > To: Alex Cagann; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > Alex, > > Usually a reader of this newsgroup but I beg to differ with your below > assertion. I drive a 1999 E36 M3 with a chip/CAI and some suspension > improvements. Run a 210 mile stint at each end of the week with city > type driving in between. Get 24.5 mpg consistently and stay at the > head of the traffic flow. So what are you basing your below comment > on? > > "Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-)" > > > Cheers, > > Jim Tilley > E36 M3 > SSB/LS Z3, #94 > #93 SM (Sorry about the off brand) Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:50:34 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 50/50 city/hwy driving for me: ~26mpg in the E36 M3 ~30mpg wifey's acura tsx ~17mpg Z06 <- not flogging it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 06:31:28 -0400 From: johngrills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FWIW. My 98 M3/4 slushbox gets 23.5 50/50 hwy/city...but then again, I don't use the top of the engine much ;). Hwy mileage is 27-28 w/ cruise control at 75. Better than all of my current and previous e30s. This is why they made up the phrase YMMV. cheers! John Grills NCC-BMWCCA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:29:20 -0400 From: "Cledus Snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: OT - current issue of Winding Road Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis, Most I could find was an media type press release, she is El Hefe now: http://primedia.com/pr/press/gavinconway9122006/ HTH, Cheers, Jim Laing Evo Clown didn't read the cuurent WR jett, it does not like Firefox. On 4/30/07, Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case you aren't a (free) subscriber, it's actually a pretty interesting > little online-only auto rag, in the spirit of Automobile. They're pretty > good at getting scoops and such, and have a few good writers on board. > > The legendary and controversial automotive editor David E. Davis Jr. is on > board as editor-in-chief. He has had some huge battles in the past, > including an on-and-off-and-on-and-off feud with Brock Yates. He's been > fired and hired, fired and hired. He held the helm of Car & Driver for > quite some time, left in a cloud of fury and haze, then later started > Automobile, about 20 years ago, with Jean Jennings (neé Lindamood), who at > the time was one of my top three favorite auto writers. > > Which, for a few years, was among my favorite auto mags, being an attempt to > recreate the British mag "Car". All is good and gravy, then DED, Jr., > slowly phased out of the magazine and left it in Jean's hands. I admit to > gradually losing interest over time, and didn't renew and haven't read it > for a few years now, even though it still had the occasional brilliant piece > from folks like Ezra Dyer. > > Anyway, to my question. I always thought that DED, despite being (insert a > variety of adjectives here), is a talented man and is always interesting to > read. And it seemd to me that he did consider Jean Jennings his protegé. > But in his column in the most recent issue of Winding Road, he writes, "Mr. > Gavin Conway has now spent a fair amount of time in the editor's chair at > Automobile Magazine. He is a man of calm demeanor and well-modulated voice, > apparently unflappable. This must be a very pleasant change for the > unfortunate morlocks who toiled under his predecessor, Mrs. Jean Jennings, > as she slowly drove Automobile into the ditch." > > WHAT?!? Does anyone know what brought this about? I hadn't even heard that > Jean was no longer editor of Automobile (though she still writes a column > for them). She did win the Ken Purdy Award for Excellence in Journalism > this year (for a story about driving the Veyron across Florida during Spring > Break). > > So, anyone have any insight into the schism between DED and Jean?? Or what > happened at Automobile?? > > Vty, > > --Dennis > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > -- I have no idols. I admire work, dedication and competence - Ayrton Senna ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
