Dear Elpidio Latorilla, Well a centralised PID machine is not very feasible in areas which are not on the net/have connectivity problems.
I guess country code, location code and some identification no. (unique) is likely to be a better choice. Regards. Arjun Asthana [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004-03-11 20:47:00 First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Mahatma Gandhi ======= At 2004-03-09, 09:20:00 Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ======= >---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > >Subject: Re: [Care2002-entwickler] Global PID >Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:36:02 +0100 >From: Alexander H�lzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi all, > >first my question: >Why should the PID contain information about country, hospital etc. ? >Couldn't those informations be retrieved from a centralized PID-clearing >server, mapping each PID to allowed information about its owner? > >I found an interesting article on identity management at the website of the >open group about identity management: >http://www.opengroup.org/dif/projects/im-scen/idmbs_1.pdf . The article is >really interesting. It shows very clearly, that other organisations are >still struggling with the identity problem as well. > >Among other things the DCE evironment of the Open Group provides a service >for the generation of truely unique universal identifiers through a server >based service. > >Unfortunately "open" does not mean "free". So there license fees for DCE >range from zero (non-commercial, academic) to $15 Mio. for there commercial >"DCE Cumulative Lifetime Cap" (!!) > >Here's some statement from their identity management site > >http://www.opengroup.org/projects/idm/: >>> Can we develop a global framework for identity management in which the > >communities that an individual belongs to can operate - and cooperate - >effectively, while maintaining the right of the individual to privacy, to >dignity, and to be in control of his or her destiny? > >>> The Open Group, in co-operation with other bodies, is working for a > >global identity management framework. We are analysing the requirements. We >will encourage the appropriate standards organizations to produce the >standards that are needed. And we will help the industry to develop >interoperable products to meet those standards. > >>> Our statement of the requirements for Identity Management is contained in > >our Identity management Business Scenario. > >>> Good Identity Management enables the right information to reach the right > >people. It is essential for Boundaryless Information Flow. > >Thanks > >Alexander H�lzel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elpidio Latorilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "care2x announcement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >"care2x developers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "entwickler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:05 PM >Subject: [Care2002-entwickler] Global PID > > >Hi all, > >while preparing some documents for the 2nd generation Care2x, I remembered >the >initial idea of a global PID. This should be an ID for a person which must >be >unique globally. > >Does anyone know of any work on this, proposals, thesis, dissertations, or >working protocols? I would be glad to know the links to the documents. >Please >let me know. > >Anyway, I noticed the VISA credit card system and its numbering system. >Each number is global and is unique to an account, well, a person can have >several accounts. But we can modify the idea to one-number-one-person >system. >Each number has 16 digits grouped in 4 digits: e.g. > >6345 6655 0005 7789 > >To accomodate this, the pid field for care2x must be modified to 16 digits >(which is very easy to do). > >Now, lets look further to putting some intelligence on the number: > >Lets say the first 4-digit group is exclusively for coding the country where >the person was first registered. Should we use an ISO country numbering? >I could not take the first 2 digits only because there are more than 100 >countries, so lets take 4-digits. That would give us 9,999 possibilities >which would mean many unused numbers. Also, to avoid problems with the >2-of-5 >interlaced barcode format, the first digit should never be zero. So the >number of the first person should look like this: > >1001 0001 0000 0001 > >That would mean: country 1, hospital 1, person 1. > >The country coding should not be a problem, we just use the ISO standards. > >The second 4-digit group should be exclusive for coding the hospital in the >country. This numbering should be done officially by some kind of official >national standards commision (or something similar) of the country. The >second group will allow for 9,999 hospitals in one country. Does anyone >know >of a country who has more than that number of hospitals? (or is likely to >have more than that figure in the future?) > >The remaining 8 digits are to number the person. That will allow a maximum >of >99,999,999 (almost 100 million) persons for each hospital. > >I admit the above is very simplistic. Please let me know of your opinion or >own ideas. > >If VISA can do it for global credit system, why couldn't we for the >healthcare >system? > >Time for Care2x foundation to come? > >Thanks >Elpidio > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials >Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of >GenToo technologies. 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