And the great thing is that we CAN disagree! The presidential election is a
great example of that. People can't agree on Burger King vs. McDonalds let
alone something like Clinton's merits. Hell, we can't agree on CF issues
sometimes! I think over time we'll see a very different view of his
presidency within the United States vs. internationally. Similar to Nixon.
My views? Ummm, mixed. I'd still vote for him over Gore or Bush (daddy or
son) just because Monica and the military issue aside he has done fairly
good job as President. And please don't read into that statement that he
has done it all - he, his aides and advisors, the House, the Senate, the
states, have all done their part - I am just commenting on his job as
President. As for the military issue, I have to assume you will find very
different views among those with a military background versus those without.
That is an assumption though.
Anyways, back to the real job - where I sometimes have the only vote. ;)
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
Dan,
I disagree. The president is also the leader of the armed forces. How can
Clinton tell anyone to go sacrifice their lives for America when he refused
himself? I believe in leadership by example, In that regard Clinton is a
very poor leader.
-George
>From: Dan Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:59:27 -0800
>
>Extremely well said.
>
>To take it one step further - let's all realize we are human beings and
>that
>noone has ever chosen their own birthplace. Everyone keeps that in mind
>and
>the need for a military quickly diminishes. Naive, yes. Not worth
>thinking
>about. Never.
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:31 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
>
>
>George,
>
>I suppose, by this logic, that those of us from the Vietnam era who
>failed to enlist are forever enjoined from doing anything in public
>life. Sounds pretty unamerican to me.
>
>As for myself, had I been drafted (difficult with a lottery number of
>360), I would have "served." Given that there was little consensus and a
>lot of divisiveness over the issue, I never felt a duty to volunteer.
>
>In present times, I thoroughly resent those in public life who are
>promoting polarization among the armed services (e.g., the current flap
>over overseas absentee ballots in Florida), like those of five or six
>years ago did with religion. I'm naive, I suppose, in thinking that we
>should all consider ourselves Americans first, and begin acting like it.
>
>Our Constitution provides for civilian control over our military. While
>it's coincidental that many Presidents did serve, I certainly don't see
>it as a prerequisite. Those who try to turn the military against their
>Commander-In-Chief should be tried and shot as traitors. Of course,
>since we're not at war, maybe all we can do is lock them up. That's
>still better than they deserve.
>
>By the way, our President represented ALL Americans on his recent trip
>to Vietnam, not just the military.
>
>JMHO,
>--John
>
>George Kaytor wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I'll agree with you on most points. But take a gander at this
>difference.
> > George Bush (sr) volunteered for service when this nation was in a war,
>and
> > volunteered for combat duty. He could have easily gotten out of service,
>as
> > his daddy was a powerful senator. He volunteered because he felt it his
>duty
> > to SERVE his country. Compare those actions to those of willy clinton
>and
> > maybe my point will be clearer to you. I just bring up this example,
>because
> > willy finally made it to vietnam.
> >
> > -GK
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