Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 1:53:25 PM, you wrote:

IS> You bring up something that I have debated in my head many times.  How can
IS> anybody bring about better browser compliance so that it is easier to make
IS> good clean and accessible web pages.

IS> I have been working on a project for the last 6 months, and I'm finding that
IS> I'm having to fall back on age old tricks and kludges to get the pages to
IS> work similar.  I'm still using tables for layout because I can't get
IS> divisions to do what I need them to do.  Which is basically
IS> multi-column/cell layout.  For example, I wanted something fairly simple
IS> such as this.  I needed two divisions at the bottom of a larger division so
IS> that I could have images with captions side by side.  I never did figure out
IS> how to do this in such a way that it worked properly.

IS> |            |
IS> |____________|
IS> ||     |     |
IS> ||image|image|
IS> ||text |     |
IS> |------------|
IS> |            |
IS> --------------

I would need details about the sizes of the images and the
descriptions, but here is one way.

<style type="text/css">
div#image_container {
        width: 500px;
        border: 1px dashed black;
}

#image_container p {
        font: 12px Tahoma;
        text-align: center;
        width: 50%;
        height: 50px;
        border-right: 1px dashed black;
}

#image_container img {
        float: right;
        border: 1px solid black;
}
</style>

<div id="image_container">
  <img src="img/icons/wrench1.gif" alt="" border="0"/>
  <p class="caption">
     Description
  </p>
</div>


IS> I really like the idea of CSS and universally standard rendering of designs
IS> so that I can make clean pages, but I'm not sure we're there yet.  In my
IS> darkest hours, I wonder if we are even moving that direction!

The problem is not that we are moving in the wrong direction at all.
Developers and the organization that attempts to make our life easier,
the W3C, are moving steadily towards xhtml/css and have been for
years.
Most of the problem with css and it's perception today is IE, and the
fact that it's not moving in any direction at all. It hasn't been
updated in years, and it's css box model fubared. It's enough to make
me wonder if Microsoft's entire goal has been to kill the browser as a
platform from the beginning.

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