Why not require Walmart to pay the "living wage" of the city council resolution? And then unionize the place??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Send Chicago mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://e-democracy.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago_e-democracy.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Chicago digest..." Today's Topics: 1. for or against wal-mart? (jon. kelland) 2. Re: for or against wal-mart? (Lara Leigh Kelland) 3. RE: for or against wal-mart? (Kevin B. O'Reilly) 4. RE: Casino for Chicago? (Kevin B. O'Reilly) 5. Re: for or against wal-mart? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "jon. kelland" Subject: [Chicago] for or against wal-mart? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii below is the start of a list of alds. that are seemingly for and against the proposed wal-mart - the question marks indicate they have basically said they are for/against it, but not clearly enough from the sources i was looking at. there are a bunch of alds. who are assuredly for it, but i haven't heard or read anything to confirm. can folks confirm or deny the selections below? anyone have more info. to put unlisted alds. in one camp or the other? what are your thoughts on wal-mart moving in? NO to Wal-Mart 4th - Toni Preckwinkle ? 6th - Fredrenna Lyle ? 15th - Ted Thomas ? 18th - Thomas Murphy 36th - William J.P. Banks 49th - Joe Moore Yes to Wal-Mart 13th - Frank Olivio ? 14th - Ed Burke ? 20th - Arenda Troutman ? 21st - Howard Brookins 28th - Ed Smith ? 31st - Ray Suarez ? 32nd - Theodore Matlak ? 34th - Carrie Austin ? 38th - Thomas Allen ? 42nd - Burt Natarus ? 29th - Isaac Carothers ? 36th - William Banks ? 37th - Emma Mitts 47th - Eugene Schulter ? 50th - Bernard Stone ? jon. kelland pilsen/25th - where a call to solis' office did not get me the answer, his chief-of-staff couldn't say, but took my name and number for solis to (apparently) return my call. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 21:29:09 -0500 From: Lara Leigh Kelland Subject: Re: [Chicago] for or against wal-mart? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear listmembers, Has anyone on the list mounted any campaigns for or against an issue at the city council level? I put a call into my alderman on Tuesday regarding the Walmart vote, and the staffer seemed a bit surprised? I would be curious to know of any activism that has been undertaken. Lara Kelland Pilsen/25th ward On 5/6/04 6:57 PM, "jon. kelland" wrote: > below is the start of a list of alds. that are > seemingly for and against the proposed wal-mart - the > question marks indicate they have basically said they > are for/against it, but not clearly enough from the > sources i was looking at. there are a bunch of alds. > who are assuredly for it, but i haven't heard or read > anything to confirm. > > can folks confirm or deny the selections below? > anyone have more info. to put unlisted alds. in one > camp or the other? > > what are your thoughts on wal-mart moving in? > > NO to Wal-Mart > > 4th - Toni Preckwinkle ? > 6th - Fredrenna Lyle ? > 15th - Ted Thomas ? > 18th - Thomas Murphy > 36th - William J.P. Banks > 49th - Joe Moore > > > Yes to Wal-Mart > > 13th - Frank Olivio ? > 14th - Ed Burke ? > 20th - Arenda Troutman ? > 21st - Howard Brookins > 28th - Ed Smith ? > 31st - Ray Suarez ? > 32nd - Theodore Matlak ? > 34th - Carrie Austin ? > 38th - Thomas Allen ? > 42nd - Burt Natarus ? > 29th - Isaac Carothers ? > 36th - William Banks ? > 37th - Emma Mitts > 47th - Eugene Schulter ? > 50th - Bernard Stone ? > > jon. kelland > pilsen/25th - where a call to solis' office did not > get me the answer, his chief-of-staff couldn't say, > but took my name and number for solis to (apparently) > return my call. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago Issues Forum - Citywide Civic Discussion > To post to list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To (un)subscribe: http://www.e-democracy.org/chicago/ > To contact list manager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > E-Democracy will not share, trade, or sell your information. Please do not > harvest participant e-mail information for other lists or solicitations > without specific consent from addressee. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:20:00 -0500 From: "Kevin B. O'Reilly" Subject: RE: [Chicago] for or against wal-mart? To: "Chicago E-Democracy" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I don't see any reason why Wal-Mart should not be allowed to have stores in Chicago. Once any neighborhood effects such as traffic flow are accounted for, there's no earthly reason why Wal-Mart should be kept out. Putting arbitrary government hurdles in front of a business trying to move to the city is extremely counterproductive. I understand the arguments about Wal-Mart being a nonunion shop, but there's a tradeoff for that. Due in part to labor savings, Wal-Mart is able to offer an extremely wide range of everyday consumer products at lower prices than can be found in the combination of grocery/clothing/hardware, etc. stores. Chicago's consumers, especially those in inner-city areas where shopping venues can be rare, deserve the option of choosing where they want to shop. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jon. kelland Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chicago] for or against wal-mart? below is the start of a list of alds. that are seemingly for and against the proposed wal-mart - the question marks indicate they have basically said they are for/against it, but not clearly enough from the sources i was looking at. there are a bunch of alds. who are assuredly for it, but i haven't heard or read anything to confirm. can folks confirm or deny the selections below? anyone have more info. to put unlisted alds. in one camp or the other? what are your thoughts on wal-mart moving in? NO to Wal-Mart 4th - Toni Preckwinkle ? 6th - Fredrenna Lyle ? 15th - Ted Thomas ? 18th - Thomas Murphy 36th - William J.P. Banks 49th - Joe Moore Yes to Wal-Mart 13th - Frank Olivio ? 14th - Ed Burke ? 20th - Arenda Troutman ? 21st - Howard Brookins 28th - Ed Smith ? 31st - Ray Suarez ? 32nd - Theodore Matlak ? 34th - Carrie Austin ? 38th - Thomas Allen ? 42nd - Burt Natarus ? 29th - Isaac Carothers ? 36th - William Banks ? 37th - Emma Mitts 47th - Eugene Schulter ? 50th - Bernard Stone ? jon. kelland pilsen/25th - where a call to solis' office did not get me the answer, his chief-of-staff couldn't say, but took my name and number for solis to (apparently) return my call. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ Chicago Issues Forum - Citywide Civic Discussion To post to list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To (un)subscribe: http://www.e-democracy.org/chicago/ To contact list manager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Democracy will not share, trade, or sell your information. Please do not harvest participant e-mail information for other lists or solicitations without specific consent from addressee. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:44:47 -0500 From: "Kevin B. O'Reilly" Subject: RE: [Chicago] Casino for Chicago? To: "Chicago E-Democracy" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This has been tried before (unsuccessfully, in the early '90s), and will probably fail again. Allowing private gaming concerns will not send Chicago reeling into Lake Michigan, but a city-owned casino is a different ball of wax altogether. The potential for abuse and corruption is mind-boggling. Furthermore, making the city and state economically dependent on gaming for revenue is very troubling. The state/city shouldn't stop people from gambling if that's what they want, but it shouldn't have an economic interest in promoting it either. The practice of the government's economically benefitting from gambling does two things I believe are wrong: (1) It encourages politicians to view their fellow citizens as saps to be soaked for the benefit of the state (to the extent they aren't viewed in that light already); (2) it helps mask the real cost of government programs. Just as deficit spending and inflation hide the real cost of government (whether you agree or disagree with certain budget priorities), the current state-licensed gaming arrangement does the same thing. Chicago already does through a series of unfair revenue streams that disproportionately target poor people, such as parking enforcement. We don't need another. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of List Manager Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chicago] Casino for Chicago? Two stories about lobbyists drafting legislation for a downtown Chicago casino. WBBM story with audio link: http://www.wbbm780.com/asp/ViewMoreDetails.asp?ID=38664 >From the Daily Southtown: http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dsindex/05-ds1.htm "Chicago lobbyists are drafting legislation that would allow Mayor Richard Daley to build a giant, city-owned casino downtown." List Manager/jon. kelland _______________________________________________ Chicago Issues Forum - Citywide Civic Discussion To post to list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To (un)subscribe: http://www.e-democracy.org/chicago/ To contact list manager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Democracy will not share, trade, or sell your information. Please do not harvest participant e-mail information for other lists or solicitations without specific consent from addressee. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:41:59 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chicago] for or against wal-mart? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" i agree that the "neighborhood effects" of wal-mart merit consideration before the corporation is allowed to open up shop in chicago. that said, i fear that the enduring effects of wal-mart will be much deeper and more corrosive that merely causing certain traffic light programming to undergo modification. i'm not quite sure that proponents of walmart have a correct sense of the "profit" the stores are supposed to bring to the community. won't the retail profits--which luckily for the company are not diminished due to expenditures on such things as salaries and legitimate benefit plans--most likely be sent to missouri or texas or wherever the corporation calls home? it isn't the type of establishment that naturally funnels profits back into the host community. of course, there are the wages the workers will make, and that is something. unfortunately, the bought-in-bulk advantage will price all other establishments out of business soon, leaving members of the host community with little alternative but to shop at wal mart. and thiese concerns are in addition to the offensive tactics the retailer employs to keep any semblance of collective bargaining out of their stores. what i find more interesting than these concerns, at least for this list, is the comparative tax advantage that wal mart will enjoy compared to local, chicago-based merchants. does anyone have any information about the relative disparity, or parity for that matter, in tax breaks etc that wal-mart will enjoy compard to the mom & pop shops? i have a feeling--just a feeling--that the city is/will be doing more to open wal mart's doors than it will to keep community based entrepenaurs in business. that'll be two cents. michael washburn wicker park ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Chicago Issues Forum - Citywide Civic Discussion To post to list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To (un)subscribe: http://www.e-democracy.org/chicago/ To contact list manager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Democracy will not share, trade, or sell your information. 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