Bob, let me tell you something. I went to sander hicks' book kick 
off at his cafe called VoxPop in Brooklyn. I think Sander has a lot 
of talent and a good instincts; however, in New York, if you want to 
survive in almost any undertaking, you must make doubly sure you 
offend no jews. Sander went out of his way to indicate that the 
Israelis were trying to warn the US about 911.

In the real world, the fucking chips fall where they may. I'm sorry, 
but pussy footing with good intentions is just patent bullshit.

As far as the arab israeli thing is concerned, I know there is no 
solution to the damned thing, and you cannot criticise the policies 
of the Israeli government unless you're willing to be called a 
rabid, jew hating, nazi son of a bitch. That is just the way it 
works; it is axiomatic and immutable. However, I am a caring, 
thinking human with a heart and mind. I cannot accept that 
Palestinians are subhuman. I cannot see any light at the end of the 
tunnel. There is only a game of disparagement and propaganda. I just 
stare in mute nostril agony, shaking my head in disgust while some 
slimy mother fuckers keep pushing their agendas.


As far as Jim and his nonsense news stories are concerned, I am 
laughing my ass off. It is like reading archie comics and mad 
magazine for insights into the US stock market. hehe!

 --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mark urban wrote:
> > How about the phoney video of the Palestinians celebrating the 
911
> > attacks. Is this guy going to pick up on that in a follow up
> > publication?
> >
> > WHen this incident first was captured on film, the story I heard 
was
> > that the father and kid were actually hit by Palestinian fire, 
not
> > Israeli.
> >
> > what does the author have to say about Baruch Goldstein machine
> > gunning all of those Palestinians while they were at prayer, or
> > Rachel Corrie being run over and crushed by an IDF bulldozer.
> >
> > God Bless Big Brother!
> Mark, would you classify this as the most blatant
> specimen of formulaic propaganda Jim has drug
> in yet? There is no attempt at showing the other
> side such as Israelis pulling down the statue of
> Saddam Hussein in Baghdad for American TV,
> or in citing number to compare with number.
> 
> Mark, were you impressed by the number of Israelis
> killed by Palestinians in terrorist incidents? I was
> neither impressed by the number 900 nor was I
> impressed by the absence of the corresponding
> number of Palestinians killed by Israeli bombing
> and other mass killing methods deployed against
> Palestinian civilians. Compare numbers of Israeli
> soldiers hit by rocks to number of Palestinians whose
> homes were bulldozed and building permits always
> denied. The Israelis killed 15 Palestinians including
> children in a single indiscriminate bombing of a
> residential neighborhood and razing 59 homes
> again in indiscriminate reprisal(=TERRORISM).
> 
> http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?
> edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=18494#
> 
> Thursday, September 15, 2005
> Agence France Presse
> Israel brass in flap over foreign war crimes prosecutions
> 
> A London magistrate has issued a warrant for the arrest
> of one of Israel's former commanders of the Gaza Strip
> over his role in a 2002 bombing raid that killed 15
> Palestinians, many of them children.
> 
> On Sunday, Doron Almog, refused to leave a plane at
> a London airport after being told in mid-flight that he
> could face arrest by British police.
> 
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3141430,00.html
> 
> Eight further cases aimed at other Israeli officers have already
> been presented to police in England," said the group.
> 
> "These are the first planks and the train is long. The High Court,
> which has so far evaded holding a session on IDF war crimes,
> should see itself responsible for the fact that the search for
> justice is conducted in England today, and no in the halls of
> justice in Israel," a Yesh Gvul representative told Ynet.
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1568001,00.html
> 
> Israeli evades arrest at Heathrow over army war crime allegations
> 
> · Retired general tipped off after judge issues warrant
> · Ex-commander accused of demolishing Gaza homes
> 
> Vikram Dodd and Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
> Monday September 12, 2005
> The Guardian
> 
> Scotland Yard was thwarted yesterday in its attempt to seize a 
former 
> senior Israeli army officer at Heathrow airport for alleged war 
crimes 
> in occupied Palestinian lands after a British judge had issued a 
warrant 
> for his arrest.
> 
> British detectives were waiting for retired Major General Doron 
Almog 
> who was aboard an El Al flight which arrived from Israel 
yesterday. It 
> is believed he was tipped off about his impending arrest while in 
the 
> air and stayed on the plane to avoid capture until it flew back to 
> Israel. Scotland Yard detectives were armed with a warrant naming 
Mr 
> Almog as a war crimes suspect for offences that breached the 
Geneva 
> conventions.
> 
> The Guardian understands police would have arrested him if he had 
set 
> foot on British soil. The arrest warrant was issued on Saturday at 
Bow 
> Street magistrates court, central London. It is believed to be the 
first 
> warrant for war crimes of its kind issued in Britain against an 
Israeli 
> national over conduct in the conflict with Palestinians.
> 
> Despite the alleged offences occurring in the Gaza Strip, war 
crimes law 
> means Britain has a duty to arrest and prosecute alleged suspects 
if 
> they arrive in Britain. The warrant alleges Mr Almog committed war 
> crimes in the Gaza Strip in 2002 when he ordered the destruction 
of 59 
> homes near Rafah, which Palestinians say was in revenge for the 
death of 
> Israeli soldiers. The warrant was issued by senior district judge 
> Timothy Workman after an application by lawyers acting for Mr 
Almog's 
> alleged Palestinian victims. According to legal sources, before 
granting 
> the warrant Mr Workman decided his court had jurisdiction for the 
> offences; that diplomatic immunity did not apply; and there was 
evidence 
> to support a prima facie case for war crimes.
> 
> If Mr Almog had been arrested he would have been bailed on 
condition 
> that he did not leave Britain. The attorney general would have to 
have 
> sanctioned any prosecution against him for war crimes.
> 
> Mr Almog was commanding officer of the Israeli defence forces' 
southern 
> command from December 2000 to July 2003. British lawyers 
representing 
> Palestinians who say they suffered as a result of Mr Almog's 
orders had 
> presented their evidence to Scotland Yard detectives last month 
and they 
> began investigating him.
> 
> -Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Rarey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?
> > ARTICLE_ID=46286
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > >
> > >       Tuesday, September 13, 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> > -------
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> > -------
> > >       Terrorists' 'poster boy'
> > >       exposed as media fraud
> > >       5 years late, Los Angeles Times reveals Palestinian hoax
> > inspired 'bestial crimes'
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> > -------
> > >       Posted: September 13, 2005
> > >       1:00 a.m. Eastern
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> > -------
> > >       © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
> > >       The No. 1 inspiration for Palestinian suicide bombers -
> > namely, the heart-wrenching videotaped shooting by Israeli 
soldiers
> > of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy - was a fraud, according to a 
Los
> > Angeles Times column, which reports that countless horrific 
terror
> > attacks on Israelis can rightfully be blamed on repeated
> > international broadcasts of the fabricated "news" report.
> > >
> > >       Yet, while the fraud may be news to the Los Angeles 
Times,
> > it isn't for readers of WND, whose managing editor, David 
Kupelian,
> > has been documenting the astonishing truth of the story for five
> > years - in fact, since shortly after the "shooting" occurred in
> > September 2000, as well as dramatic updates since then.
> > >
> > >       Now, in his widely acclaimed new book, "The Marketing of
> > Evil," Kupelian blows the lid completely off not only the
> > disastrously fraudulent media reporting of the Palestinian boy's
> > famous "martyrdom," but of how the "mainstream media" routinely
> > portray good as evil, and evil as good.
> > >
> > >       'Bestial crimes'
> > >
> > >       In his Los Angeles Times column Friday, columnist David
> > Gelernter wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >         More than 900 Israeli civilians have been killed in the
> > intifada, the Palestinian uprising that began five years ago. 
They
> > were ordinary people chatting on a bus, eating ice cream in a
> > restaurant; suddenly, a bright flash. The next moment the walls 
are
> > spattered with blood and the bomb's hellish odor fills the air. 
Some
> > people are blinded, others are cut to pieces. Parents living the
> > worst seconds of their lives cast about wildly for their 
children in
> > the screaming, smoky chaos.
> > >         What explains such bestial crimes? The reported death 
of a
> > Palestinian child, Mohammed Dura, in Gaza did as much as anything
> > else to ignite the current uprising. In the short video segment
> > produced on Sept. 30, 2000, and distributed immediately, a state-
> > owned French television station called France 2 accused the 
Israeli
> > army of deliberately shooting and killing the 12-year-old.
> > >
> > >
> > >       But, writes Gelernter, a comprehensive new report by 
French
> > writer Nidra Poller leaves little doubt that "the video is a 
fraud."
> > He spends the rest of his column citing some of the damning 
evidence
> > of the hoax.
> > >
> > >
> > >           
> > >
> > >       In Chapter 8 of "The Marketing of Evil" - "The Media
> > Matrix," on how the media create their own alternate reality and
> > suck Americans into it - Kupelian reveals the breathtakingly
> > deceptive state of American news coverage, focusing at one point
> > directly on the Mohammed al-Dura story:
> > >
> > >
> > >         Remember the "martyrdom" of 12-year-old Mohammed al-
Dura?
> > It's a classic example of the media matrix. The world was 
horrified
> > as news broadcasts played the sensational video footage over and
> > over again of the Palestinian boy being shot on September 30, 
2000,
> > apparently by Israeli forces, and then dying pitifully in his
> > father's arms.
> > >         Heart-wrenching photos of the father and son in death's
> > grip became immortalized in posters that were plastered up and 
down
> > the streets of the West Bank and Gaza, inspiring many a youthful
> > suicide bomber to join Mohammed in martyr's paradise. He became 
the
> > poster boy and rallying cry of the bloody intifada that claimed
> > hundreds of lives.
> > >
> > >
> > >             
> > >
> > >
> > >         Although the Israeli military initially assumed
> > responsibility for the incident, it soon became apparent that the
> > Israelis could not have shot the boy, due to a large barrier 
between
> > the Israeli military outpost across the remote junction in Gaza 
and
> > the position of the boy and his father.
> > >
> > >         In 2003 an independent journalistic investigation
> > concluded that the al-Dura affair was actually a piece of
> > Palestinian street theater, similar to the dramatic Palestinian
> > funeral processions that were observed after the Israeli 
incursion
> > into the Jenin refugee camp. During that public spectacle, a
> > martyred "corpse" twice fell off the stretcher, only to hop back 
up
> > and retake his place in the procession. (The Palestinians had
> > claimed 3,000 deaths in Jenin - the actual toll turned out to be
> > 52.)
> > >
> > >         It turns out many Palestinians were playing to the 
camera
> > on the day Mohammed al-Dura was "martyred." Israeli commentator
> > Amnon Lord's account of the larger scene at Netzarim Junction 
when
> > the boy was supposedly shot to death describes "incongruous 
battle
> > scenes complete with wounded combatants and screeching ambulances
> > played out in front of an audience of laughing onlookers, while
> > makeshift movie directors do retakes of botched scenes."
> > >
> > >         Palestinian journalist Sami El Soudi echoes Lord's
> > observation, revealing that "almost all Palestinian directors 
take
> > part more or less voluntarily in these war commissions, under the
> > official pretext that we should use all possible means, including
> > trickery and fabulation, to fight against the tanks and airplanes
> > the enemy has and we don't. . Our official press reported 300
> > wounded and dead at Netzarim junction the day when Mohammed was
> > supposedly killed. Most of the cameramen there were 
Palestinians. .
> > They willingly took part in the masquerade, filming fictional
> > scenes, believing they were doing it out of patriotism. When a 
scene
> > was well done the onlookers laughed and applauded."
> > >
> > >         "It is incredible," says French journalist Gérard
> > Huber, "how many people were calmly filming the battle of 
Netzarim
> > on September 30th, 2000. Not only professionals - some of them
> > standing no more than 10 meters away from the al-Dura incident - 
but
> > amateurs as well. The rushes [video clips] are full of surprising
> > incongruities: Children smile as ambulances go by. A 'wounded'
> > Palestinian collapses and two seconds later an ambulance pulls 
up to
> > take him to the hospital. It looks as if the driver had been cued
> > in, knew in advance where the Palestinian was going to fall, or 
was
> > waiting in the upper right hand corner just out of the 
photographic
> > field ready to zoom in on signal."
> > >
> > >         Street theater. The Mohammed al-Dura story - which 
rather
> > than documenting Israeli brutality toward Palestinians shows 
instead
> > the Arab propaganda machine being enabled, magnified, and 
laundered
> > by the "mainstream press" - is but one story. There are hundreds 
and
> > hundreds of similar shabby episodes - from the "Jenin massacre" 
to
> > the "murder" of Rachel Corrie - that together create and 
reinforce
> > this preposterous virtual-reality illusion of Israel as the
> > aggressor. The truth is, the Palestinian cause is itself a giant
> > piece of street theater, just as the separate scenes - Mohammed 
al-
> > Dura's "martyrdom," children being told they'll go to heaven if 
they
> > commit mass murder, leaders like the late Yasser Arafat 
pretending
> > to seek peace with Israel (in English) while simultaneously 
urging
> > violent jihad (in Arabic) - are the little charades that comprise
> > the whole. ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >           
> > >
> > >       David Kupelian is the managing editor of 
WorldNetDaily.com,
> > the world's largest independent news Web site. He is also a 
popular
> > WND columnist and the driving force behind the acclaimed monthly
> > news magazine Whistleblower.
> > >
> > >       "The Marketing of Evil," which skyrocketed up the Amazon
> > charts upon its release, documents how much of the radical agenda
> > that currently dominates America, from abortion to "gay rights" 
to
> > church-state "separation," has actually been sold to Americans 
using
> > the exact same psychological manipulation techniques employed by
> > Madison Avenue.
> > >
> > >       Response to Kupelian's book so far has been intensely
> > polarizing. While detractors call the book "dangerous" and "a 
primer
> > for teaching right-wing Christians why democracy and freedom are
> > wrong," most are calling it one of the most important books of 
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> > year:
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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