Responding to the thread and not this specific email...

This conversation has an unfortunate subtext of "us v. them." It is the case that c4l is a small-ish group that has a particular personality, and folks really care about that. And the c4l conference (which I only attended once) has a great feel about it of folks sharing ideas (and beer).

The problem with that kind of chummy-ness is that it makes it hard for newcomers or folks who aren't native c4l-ers to participate, either in the conference or in the various ways that c4l-ers communicate. To then take someone to task for "violating" an unwritten rule of that culture really does not seem fair, and the unfortunate use of language ("pandering"), not to mention the length of this thread, is likely to discourage enthusiastic newcomers in the future. If c4l is open to new participants and new ideas, some acceptance of differences in style must be tolerated. Where there isn't a tolerance, any rules must be made clear. "Be just like us" isn't such a rule.

I personally feel that the reaction to the alleged offense is over the top. If this has happened before, I don't recall this kind of reaction. If c4l were a Marxist organization this is the point where one could call for an intense round of self-study and auto-criticism. Something has gone wrong here, and it is just possible that it is c4l that owes an apology. Not the other way around. I believe that Miss Manners would have suggested that rather than a public drubbing the "offender" could have been politely contacted off list with an explanation of said unwritten rules.

kc

Quoting Dan Scott <dsc...@laurentian.ca>:

Ross:

+1 to the disclaimer splash page. That seems to be the best way to maintain our faith in humanity to do the right thing.

Dan




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