Roy T. Fielding wrote:
On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
derby-user@db.apache.org has been grappling with someone who delights
in belittling other posters on the list. The topic was raised on
women@ (see the thread starting with http://mail-
archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-women/200511.mbox/%3c4371355F.
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list.
For crying out loud, would you please supply links to the exact posts
you consider to be in poor taste and the person's name? I just wasted
10 minutes trying to follow the bread crumbs. You have to make it
easier on reviewers -- everyone seems to be painfully avoiding
a pointer to an actual message.
sorry -- I'm not trying to frustrate folks. I considered posting
specific links, but withdrew them at the end, even though they are links
to public archives. The name at the core is Michael Segel.
Below are links to public responses to some of his posts (which are
numerous enough that they alone would be frustrating to wade through):
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200508.mbox/[EMAIL
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http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200510.mbox/[EMAIL
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http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200511.mbox/[EMAIL
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http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200512.mbox/[EMAIL
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http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200512.mbox/[EMAIL
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The first two posts were disassociated from the offending message and
the tactic clearly didn't work.
The last two were recent (this week). Off line communication makes me
believe he has no intention of moderating his behavior, hence the
question of at what point you unsubscribe/deny a user.
In general, it is the responsibility of the PMC to govern its own
lists. If the PMC decides to boot them, then go ahead. Most
groups just shun the user.
One of the DB PMC members was asking about frequency of denial, which is
an excellent question, which Noel responded to with "Rarely. Really
really rarely." It's helpful for us to know how other projects at the
ASF handle such situations. I'm getting questions from users asking why
we don't just boot him. I'm happy to respond with "The ASF doesn't like
to do that except for the most extreme cases" if that is the right
answer. This case is merely very annoying, not extreme.
I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry
that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to
embark on a path that could backfire.
-jean
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