Ok, I set up a temporary forum until the guys @ openmoko get everything sorted out. I'm using phpbb. I think the forums are needed, for many of the reasons described in this thread. Primarily, to have another sounding board for new openmoko/neo users to just communicate, and keep this list cleaner.
I set it up on my hosted domain space... I need another administrator and moderators, http://www.makeopensource.com/phpBB3 http://forums.makeopensource.com should resolve by tomorrow. Thanks, Kyle On 7/24/07, Jacques Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there a web form to search the mailing lists ? I didn't find it, and didn't want to ask if that had been asked before, but since I can't find the search form, well, I'm asking :-) I prefer forums over lists because forums are a lot less distracting... but at least when the lists are searchable, there's a way to find the info you want without wasting hours going through threads... I mean, I'm getting over 10 digests every day, I can't even begin to consider being subscribed to this list when the word spreads... Keep the mailing lists for the developers if you like, but we need a forum for the users. ------------------------------ *From:* Daniel Robinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 24 juillet 2007 13:46 *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: OK, the forum is coming.. The fact that you are subscribed to 20 different mailing lists and you would find it difficult to read all of that information on 20 different forum UIs is your issue, and it is not the responsibility of this community to address. To state, axiomatically, that mailing lists are more efficient is to attempt proof by assertion. The goal is communication, not rightness. How is communication best served? --Dan On 7/24/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > No, it's just habits. And it's not about Engineers, it's about long time > email users. (I mean the generation before the invention of the "http > protocol". If one can consider HTTP 0.9 to be a protocol ;) ) > > And yes, email is important to these old timers. Mailing lists are quite > well standardized, there are less than half a dozen mailing list > management packages that matter, and even these have mostly the same > behaviour. I'm subscribed on more than 20 mailing lists (most of these > in the Linux/Python/PostgreSQL realm), that I follow more or less > depending upon work pressure. I can keep a tab on these mailing lists, > because they use a standard interface. > > Navigating 20 different "forums", is not feasible: > > - -) I need to actively pull information. That's time I could be already > using to read messages. > > - -) the UI of forums is really not uniform. I need to join, login > (depending upon the forum and my browser setting each time, every 2 > weeks, never), manage to find if new messages that might interest me, > ... > > - -) the UI of mailing lists is my known standard mail client. > > You can see the difference, e.g. my wife participates in a forum based > cooking community. Notice: "relative newcomer" (less than a decade > Internet experience), 1 community (not dozens of mailing lists needed). > > Basically, mailing lists are more efficient. Not necessarily easy on > newbies. (And yes, efficient does not mean easy. Efficient is measured > in units like "transaction" per "time unit". And I can clearly "process" > (or decide not to "process") more messages per hour in my mailer than > with my browser) > > Andreas > > Daniel Robinson wrote: > > What is it about engineers that they act like any idea other than > theirs > > is not worthy of consideration? > > > > I don't know any of you, and I am only responding to this email > because > > it is typical of the kind of traffic that has been going back and > forth > > about this issue. > > > > Don't build your house on ice? This is typical of the dismissiveness > > with which people have responded about this issue. The straw man > being > > used here, that wanting one position or the other is as meritorious as > > building one's house on ice, is not valid. It smacks of sanctimony > and > > that should be avoided. > > > > > > > > On 7/24/07, *Ted Lemon* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote: > > > > > Quite frankly I am completely, totally, > > > overwhelmingly baffled at the resistance to the forums. Quite a > few > > > people have expressed their dislikes of mailing lists and how > they > > were > > > *very* reluctant (like myself) to join. > > > > Worrying about your email address being exposed is pretty silly. > > That's like worrying that the ice on a pond will break when it > melts in > > the spring and your house will fall in. Don't build your house > on > > ice. > > > > As for forums, they are very nice for casual use. They are > terrible > > for staying in touch, unless you visit them obsessively. The > nice > > thing about a mailing list is that the mail keeps arriving in your > > > inbox, you see it go by, and you can pay attention or not as you > choose. > > And if you miss something, it's easy to go back and find it. > > > > Forums aren't bad - they're just different. I think it would be > great > > if the casual traffic migrated to a forum. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGpjSvHJdudm4KnO0RAoYxAKCBHGel3VGjh+UUUAIa2aw92mGW5wCg6BEj > N/FJkT49Lx7LTCadSE0jP08= > =oU8p > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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