I'm a language caveman too then. I really avoid C++ even though I learned the basics long ago. I really hate it. It's not like I'm an old dog that can't learn new tricks - I have experimented and explored many computer languages and I am versatile in many.
It's one of those languages that to me feels wrong - like a big ugly hack on top of something that isn't that pretty to start with. I tolerate C because it's the best at speed. I don't have a good reason to tolerate C++. Don't want to start a language flame war though. I love object oriented but I always reach for something else when I'm compelled to go that way. Maybe it's caveman of me, but I don't associate object oriented with super high performance programming. Of course I realize that c++ can be almost as fast as C if you know what you are doing and avoid certain things - but it seems like an insane combination to me - OOP is high level, C is low level. C++ seems like a bad marriage. I'm sure you can get used to anything. If you get really familiar and comfortable with C++ you probably can live with it and even believe it to be a wonderful thing. But that's no shocker - no matter how awful a language is you will get many fanatics who seem to believe it's the most wonderful thing ever invented! - Don On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 13:02 -0700, Peter Drake wrote: > Yeah, I suffer from this, too. (There's also the fact that using > someone else's code would disqualify you from the formal division of > the KGS tournaments.) > > > Here's a heroic tale of not-invented-here syndrome for your amusement: > > > http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/slammerSCR.aspx > > Peter Drake > http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ > > > > > > On May 27, 2007, at 12:55 PM, steve uurtamo wrote: > > > i'd need to write a C interface for it, then try to maintain > > compatibility > > through new releases. (AKA i'd effectively end up rewriting it). > > it might > > seem like less of a burden for me to just write my code in C++, but > > i guess i'm just a caveman who is stuck in his old ways and would > > rather > > reinvent the wheel than switch language horses just to save some > > effort. > > > > > > s. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Łukasz Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> > > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:39:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [computer-go] Efficiently selecting a point to play in > > a random playout > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've tested many approaches, and the one I implemented is clearly > > the best. > > The bias that Peter Drake talks about is negligible and doesn't have > > a > > noticeable impact > > on playout results. > > (and uniformity of playout isn't something to fight for in MC Go) > > > > > > Jason, can You tell me why You don't want to use libego instead? > > Actually this is open question to all comp-go readers. > > > > > > Is libego too complicated? Do You have problems with compilation? > > Or You are not comfortable with the GNU license? Any other reason? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Lukasz Lew > > > > > > > > > > On 5/27/07, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I get into the home stretch of rewriting the core of my bot, > > > I want > > > to add a monte carlo player. I've realized that picking a random > > > move > > > to play is non-trivial since it's such a key element in playout > > > speed. > > > > > > > > > An array of legal positions has easy lookup, but may not be easy > > > to > > > maintain... I guess it'd require storing a mapping between board > > > position and index into the legal positions array so that a move > > > that > > > becomes illegal can be quickly removed (by moving the item from > > > the tail > > > of the array into the empty location). > > > > > > > > > Looking at libego, I see it does a variant on this where it > > > maintains > > > an array of empty points. If the random index it picks is > > > disallowed, > > > it'll scan through the array (with wrapping around the end) until > > > it > > > either finds an allowed move or returns to its starting point. > > > > > > > > > Which methods have people tried and what works best? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > computer-go mailing list > > > computer-go@computer-go.org > > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > computer-go mailing list > > computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Yahoo! > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > that gives answers, not web links. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > _______________________________________________ > > computer-go mailing list > > computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
