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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: verb-less language, maybe
From: James Kane
1b. Re: verb-less language, maybe
From: neo gu
2a. Re: Working on my first conlang.
From: Austin Blanton
2b. Re: Working on my first conlang.
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
2c. Re: Working on my first conlang.
From: Austin Blanton
3. Xiis, my first writing system
From: George Marques de Jesus
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1a. Re: verb-less language, maybe
Posted by: "James Kane" kane...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:53 am ((PDT))
This is really cool, I like that it's quite simple but still works. It feels
almost like there's a zero copula in each sentence 'John (is a) reader
of-books', but if it's always zero then I suppose it doesn't exist.
The something.remembered and something.predicted seems a little bit stilted;
you might need more examples that they aren't just nouns. Can all nouns
function as verbs?
James
> On 14/10/2013, at 2:02 am, qiihoskeh <qiihos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Note: the English translations are very approximate.
>
> I've been working on a possibly verb-less language. Verb roots appear only as
> derived nouns (action nominals and participant nominals), so the only clauses
> are Subject-Complement, where both subject and complement are noun phrases.
> There's no copula. Nominative is used for both subject and complement while
> genitive is used for possessors. Since the object of a noun must be expressed
> as a possessor, there's no accusative case. There are also dative,
> instrumental, and adverbial cases, since these can be used with nominal
> hosts. As an example, for "John reads books" one says "John is a reader of
> books" (John-Nom book-NR-Gen reader-NR-Nom).
>
> Actually, -Nom = 0 and -NR (non-referential) = 0, so these could be left out
> (John book-Gen reader). The other cases and determiners are enclitic,
> appearing at the end of the phrase.
>
> Basic clauses are semantically habitual (or sometimes gnomic). To change
> this, a couple strategies are used. First, there are the temporal adverbs.
> Placing "now" at the end makes the clause present progressive or stative and
> "then" makes it non-present progressive or stative.
>
> John book-DefS-Gen reader then. "John was/will be reading the book."
>
> The other strategy is to use an auxiliary. The content word changes from a
> participant nominal (such as agent or patient) to an action nominal. Its
> subject must take either the instrumental case (for agents) or the genitive
> case (for patients). The auxiliary is the inanimate patient of "remember" for
> past time or "predict" for future time. The determiner on the action nominal
> determines whether the action occurs (singular) once or multiple times
> (plural) and which set of aspects is intended. Specifically, definite
> indicates either aoristic or progressive or stative while indefinite
> indicates perfect (with remember) or prospective (with predict).
>
> Tom-Ins running-DefS somethingremembered. "Tom ran or was running."
> Tom-Ins running-IndS somethingremembered. "Tom has run."
> Tom-Ins running-IndP somethingremembered. "Tom used to run." (literally,
> "Some runnings by Tom are remembered.")
>
> The two strategies can be combined for compound tenses.
>
> Tom-Ins running-IndS somethingpredicted then. "Tom was going to run."
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1b. Re: verb-less language, maybe
Posted by: "neo gu" qiihos...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:13 pm ((PDT))
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:53:04 +1300, James Kane <kane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is really cool, I like that it's quite simple but still works. It feels
>almost like there's a zero copula in each sentence 'John (is a) reader
>of-books', but if it's always zero then I suppose it doesn't exist.
>
I thought I would need a copula for things like tense, but I haven't. Except
for a few conjunctions, everything is done with formal nouns.
>The something.remembered and something.predicted seems a little bit stilted;
>you might need more examples that they aren't just nouns. Can all nouns
>function as verbs?
>
Well, I might use remember-PI instead (PI = inanimate patient), since that's
how it's formed, or just Pst. It's just the English glossing that's really
stilted, in order to show that they're not formally verbs.
Any noun can be a complement, as in Rover cat. I realized I might sometimes
need to specify time with this type of complement, so it turns out that there
are action nominals for non-verb roots as well.
Rover-Gen catting-DefS remember-PI. "Rover was a cat." (maybe Rouber-ko
keeten-do mex-0)
>
>James
>
>> On 14/10/2013, at 2:02 am, qiihoskeh <qiihos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Note: the English translations are very approximate.
>>
>> I've been working on a possibly verb-less language. Verb roots appear only
>> as derived nouns (action nominals and participant nominals), so the only
>> clauses are Subject-Complement, where both subject and complement are noun
>> phrases. There's no copula. Nominative is used for both subject and
>> complement while genitive is used for possessors. Since the object of a noun
>> must be expressed as a possessor, there's no accusative case. There are also
>> dative, instrumental, and adverbial cases, since these can be used with
>> nominal hosts. As an example, for "John reads books" one says "John is a
>> reader of books" (John-Nom book-NR-Gen reader-NR-Nom).
>>
>> Actually, -Nom = 0 and -NR (non-referential) = 0, so these could be left out
>> (John book-Gen reader). The other cases and determiners are enclitic,
>> appearing at the end of the phrase.
>>
>> Basic clauses are semantically habitual (or sometimes gnomic). To change
>> this, a couple strategies are used. First, there are the temporal adverbs.
>> Placing "now" at the end makes the clause present progressive or stative and
>> "then" makes it non-present progressive or stative.
>>
>> John book-DefS-Gen reader then. "John was/will be reading the book."
>>
>> The other strategy is to use an auxiliary. The content word changes from a
>> participant nominal (such as agent or patient) to an action nominal. Its
>> subject must take either the instrumental case (for agents) or the genitive
>> case (for patients). The auxiliary is the inanimate patient of "remember"
>> for past time or "predict" for future time. The determiner on the action
>> nominal determines whether the action occurs (singular) once or multiple
>> times (plural) and which set of aspects is intended. Specifically, definite
>> indicates either aoristic or progressive or stative while indefinite
>> indicates perfect (with remember) or prospective (with predict).
>>
>> Tom-Ins running-DefS somethingremembered. "Tom ran or was running."
>> Tom-Ins running-IndS somethingremembered. "Tom has run."
>> Tom-Ins running-IndP somethingremembered. "Tom used to run." (literally,
>> "Some runnings by Tom are remembered.")
>>
>> The two strategies can be combined for compound tenses.
>>
>> Tom-Ins running-IndS somethingpredicted then. "Tom was going to run."
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2a. Re: Working on my first conlang.
Posted by: "Austin Blanton" marblebo...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:57 pm ((PDT))
They actually don't. They can communicate in a sense with their feral cousins,
and are adept at both bipedal and quadrupedal locomotion.
> On Oct 13, 2013, at 12:55 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
> <goldyemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Im not sure if you have an original idea. Do they shift into cat form?
> I have some audio books on linguistics and phonetics. There's a website I'm
> using to guide me called
>
> www.fridaynightlinguistics.org/languagecreation
>
> I also have a historical linguistics book.
>
> Pen name:
> Mellissa Green
> Blog
>
> www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com
>
> Twitter
> @GreenNovelist
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:conl...@listserv.brown.edu] On
> Behalf Of Austin Blanton
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:29 PM
> To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
> Subject: Working on my first conlang.
>
> Hello. I am a relative newbie to conlanging. I have admired the works of
> others for years, but have never really dipped into it fully until now. My
> first love is fantasy writing, so my languages will for the most part serve
> as a native tongue for races or cultures in my novels.
>
> For my first language, I want to create a language for a race of
> anthropomorphic cat creatures. Original, I know. That being said... I have
> begun the process of figuring out what kinds of sounds they are capable of
> making. One example is the fact that because of their top lip being split
> down the middle in the manner of most felids, they can not make bilabial
> sounds. Similar to Spanish in that B and V would be interchangeable for
> them. They would not be able to pronounce out B sound, so would resort to V.
> Base -> Vase. In general, it tends to follow a Spanish or Arabic accent,
> with the smooth sounds, and tendency to have a feline purr. The purr itself
> will stem from them being anthropomorphic jungle cats, but will serve a
> greater purpose, similar to the ceceo, or the Spanish trill.
>
> If this doesn't sound altogether silly to you, I would love some help
> getting started with my first constructed language. Good day. =
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2b. Re: Working on my first conlang.
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" goldyemo...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:51 pm ((PDT))
So they're part cat?
Pen name:
Mellissa Green
Blog
www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com
Twitter
@GreenNovelist
-----Original Message-----
From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:conl...@listserv.brown.edu] On
Behalf Of Austin Blanton
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:57 PM
To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Working on my first conlang.
They actually don't. They can communicate in a sense with their feral
cousins, and are adept at both bipedal and quadrupedal locomotion.
> On Oct 13, 2013, at 12:55 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
<goldyemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Im not sure if you have an original idea. Do they shift into cat form?
> I have some audio books on linguistics and phonetics. There's a website
I'm
> using to guide me called
>
> www.fridaynightlinguistics.org/languagecreation
>
> I also have a historical linguistics book.
>
> Pen name:
> Mellissa Green
> Blog
>
> www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com
>
> Twitter
> @GreenNovelist
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:conl...@listserv.brown.edu] On
> Behalf Of Austin Blanton
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:29 PM
> To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
> Subject: Working on my first conlang.
>
> Hello. I am a relative newbie to conlanging. I have admired the works of
> others for years, but have never really dipped into it fully until now. My
> first love is fantasy writing, so my languages will for the most part
serve
> as a native tongue for races or cultures in my novels.
>
> For my first language, I want to create a language for a race of
> anthropomorphic cat creatures. Original, I know. That being said... I have
> begun the process of figuring out what kinds of sounds they are capable of
> making. One example is the fact that because of their top lip being split
> down the middle in the manner of most felids, they can not make bilabial
> sounds. Similar to Spanish in that B and V would be interchangeable for
> them. They would not be able to pronounce out B sound, so would resort to
V.
> Base -> Vase. In general, it tends to follow a Spanish or Arabic accent,
> with the smooth sounds, and tendency to have a feline purr. The purr
itself
> will stem from them being anthropomorphic jungle cats, but will serve a
> greater purpose, similar to the ceceo, or the Spanish trill.
>
> If this doesn't sound altogether silly to you, I would love some help
> getting started with my first constructed language. Good day. =
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2c. Re: Working on my first conlang.
Posted by: "Austin Blanton" marblebo...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:16 am ((PDT))
Well, yes. They are anthropomorphic cats. As in, they can walk upright, talk,
and have hand-like paws, but retain much of their feline anatomy.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2013, at 1:51 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
<goldyemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So they're part cat?
>
> Pen name:
> Mellissa Green
> Blog
>
> www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com
>
> Twitter
> @GreenNovelist
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:conl...@listserv.brown.edu] On
> Behalf Of Austin Blanton
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:57 PM
> To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
> Subject: Re: Working on my first conlang.
>
> They actually don't. They can communicate in a sense with their feral
> cousins, and are adept at both bipedal and quadrupedal locomotion.
>
>> On Oct 13, 2013, at 12:55 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
> <goldyemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Im not sure if you have an original idea. Do they shift into cat form?
>> I have some audio books on linguistics and phonetics. There's a website
> I'm
>> using to guide me called
>>
>> www.fridaynightlinguistics.org/languagecreation
>>
>> I also have a historical linguistics book.
>>
>> Pen name:
>> Mellissa Green
>> Blog
>>
>> www.theworldofyemora.wordpress.com
>>
>> Twitter
>> @GreenNovelist
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:conl...@listserv.brown.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Austin Blanton
>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:29 PM
>> To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
>> Subject: Working on my first conlang.
>>
>> Hello. I am a relative newbie to conlanging. I have admired the works of
>> others for years, but have never really dipped into it fully until now. My
>> first love is fantasy writing, so my languages will for the most part
> serve
>> as a native tongue for races or cultures in my novels.
>>
>> For my first language, I want to create a language for a race of
>> anthropomorphic cat creatures. Original, I know. That being said... I have
>> begun the process of figuring out what kinds of sounds they are capable of
>> making. One example is the fact that because of their top lip being split
>> down the middle in the manner of most felids, they can not make bilabial
>> sounds. Similar to Spanish in that B and V would be interchangeable for
>> them. They would not be able to pronounce out B sound, so would resort to
> V.
>> Base -> Vase. In general, it tends to follow a Spanish or Arabic accent,
>> with the smooth sounds, and tendency to have a feline purr. The purr
> itself
>> will stem from them being anthropomorphic jungle cats, but will serve a
>> greater purpose, similar to the ceceo, or the Spanish trill.
>>
>> If this doesn't sound altogether silly to you, I would love some help
>> getting started with my first constructed language. Good day. =
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3. Xiis, my first writing system
Posted by: "George Marques de Jesus" georgemje...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:13 pm ((PDT))
After a long time of frustration trying to create the font for it, I
finally completed Xiis, a writing system for my conlang Fóm (which is still
a draft). I have to tell that I'm not completely satisfied with it, but at
least it's possible to actually write something using the computer keyboard.
I made a PDF with description and it can be found here:
http://georgemarques.com.br/xiis.pdf
George Marques
http://georgemarques.com.br
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