My motherboard will be Kontron, 986LCD-M/mITX. I have not yet received it but very soon will have it. I am studying the technical info but answering my questions boosts my progress.
I am not planing to make a product for sale and trying to expand my knowledge about BIOS and PC. I have a good time to spend for this project but seems to have to learn many new things first and deal with some PDFs every day. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Corey Osgood <[email protected]>wrote: > I think I just need to clarify a couple things: > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to > >> expand knowledge not to earn money!! > > There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them > involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) > because you're developing a product to sell? > > >> > >> If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get > >> involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and > stress > >> of a challenging and rewarding work. > > Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea! > > >> > >> I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of > the > >> science and technology involved and become ready to invent something new > or > >> to become ready for the projects in the market. > > And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand > initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, > etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. > On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't > have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes > along. > > >> > >> Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first purposes > of > >> the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible > technical > >> people. Who you recommend and where are those? > > http://www.coreboot.org/Products > http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development > > >> > >> I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough > and I > >> suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough > for > >> it!! > > I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, > how many questions do you see like yours? > > Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if > you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll > get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how > every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to > write a working port. > > -Corey > > > > > Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need > > is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one > > of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional > > developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a > > living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything > > works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I > > needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple > > 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one > > was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 > > board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, > > why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because > > if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not > > going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, > > and contribute it back to the project. > > > > So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points: > > 1. Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project > > 2. Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time > > educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or > > 3. GTFO! > > > > -Corey > > > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> let me explain a few things. > >>> > >>> On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote: > >>> > The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It > is > >>> > because you do not want other people know about the details of the > >>> > project, > >>> > > >>> > >>> We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly > >>> and if you read the documentation. > >>> > >>> > >>> > Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes > of > >>> > your > >>> > time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions are > >>> > not a > >>> > waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people > keep > >>> > their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about > economics, > >>> > politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i > waste > >>> > your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about it > >>> > unless > >>> > you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!) > >>> > > >>> > >>> We do not benefit from explaining things to you. > >>> You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project > >>> does not benefit from explaining things to you either. > >>> BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a > >>> customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any > >>> work yourself. > >>> > >>> Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not > >>> benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other > >>> developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do not > >>> know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help > >>> or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to > >>> trolling. > >>> > >>> > >>> > I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the > work > >>> > without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of > Coreboot > >>> > before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it by > >>> > Coreboot site!!? > >>> > > >>> > >>> Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read > >>> and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list > >>> instructions instead. > >>> > >>> > >>> > Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i > have > >>> > the > >>> > source and the Internet connection... > >>> > > >>> > >>> And why don't you do that? > >>> > >>> You have three choices: > >>> 1. Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest. > >>> 2. Pay someone to explain this in private. > >>> 3. Leave. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Carl-Daniel > >> > >> > >> -- > >> coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > >> http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > >> > > >
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