On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:03 AM, ali hagigat <[email protected]> wrote: > My motherboard will be Kontron, 986LCD-M/mITX.
Good grief. That board is already supported! http://www.coreboot.org/Kontron_986LCD-M_mITX -Corey > > I have not yet received it but very soon will have it. I am studying the > technical info but answering my questions boosts my progress. > > I am not planing to make a product for sale and trying to expand my > knowledge about BIOS and PC. I have a good time to spend for this project > but seems to have to learn many new things first and deal with some PDFs > every day. > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Corey Osgood <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I think I just need to clarify a couple things: >> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Corey Osgood <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, ali hagigat <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> My first impression from the BIOS open source project was an effort to >> >> expand knowledge not to earn money!! >> >> There are lots of reasons open-source projects thrive. Most of them >> involve money. Why are you working with coreboot? Is it (just a guess) >> because you're developing a product to sell? >> >> >> >> >> If any one wants to earn money he will find a technical job, will get >> >> involved in deadlines of the project, will tolerate the pressure and >> >> stress >> >> of a challenging and rewarding work. >> >> Yeah, paying people to teach? What a ridiculous idea! >> >> >> >> >> I thought we were here to help each other to understand the details of >> >> the >> >> science and technology involved and become ready to invent something >> >> new or >> >> to become ready for the projects in the market. >> >> And if you come on here with a *technical* issue, e.g. need a hand >> initiating an HT link, memory controller, ide device, kernel errors, >> etc, then the people on here will bend over backwards to help you out. >> On the other hand, documentation exists for a reason, because we don't >> have time to explain every line of code to every person who comes >> along. >> >> >> >> >> Though spending money for this case seems contrary to the first >> >> purposes of >> >> the project but money might be paid to responsible and eligible >> >> technical >> >> people. Who you recommend and where are those? >> >> http://www.coreboot.org/Products >> http://www.google.com/search?q=coreboot+professional+development >> >> >> >> >> I am ready to develop code for Coreboot but my knowledge is not enough >> >> and I >> >> suspect the knowledge of many users of this mailing list to be enough >> >> for >> >> it!! >> >> I really don't think that's the case. Read the mailing list archives, >> how many questions do you see like yours? >> >> Alright, because I'm just plain too damn nice to leave it at this, if >> you're still interested, what board/chipset are you working on? I'll >> get you pointed in the right direction. I'm not going to explain how >> every piece of coreboot works, but you really don't need to know to >> write a working port. >> >> -Corey >> >> > >> > Look dude, I'm getting tired of this nonsense. All the info you need >> > is in the wiki and the documentation. How do I know? coreboot is one >> > of the few projects I've gotten involved in. I'm not a professional >> > developer, not even a great programmer. I don't build CPUs for a >> > living, hell I don't even pretend to fully comprehend how everything >> > works. Yet when I started with this project, I found all the info I >> > needed to get started. And I've worked my way through to port a couple >> > 440bx boards, the i810 chipset, and the cn700 chipset (albiet that one >> > was left a little incomplete due to the untimely death of my cn700 >> > board). If you're not willing to make the effort to find *basic* info, >> > why the heck should we waste our time spoon feeding it to you? Because >> > if you're not willing to make that little effort, you're probably not >> > going to put in the effort to actually write the code, make it work, >> > and contribute it back to the project. >> > >> > So, to reiterate carl-daniel's points: >> > 1. Put forth the effort yourself to learn about the project >> > 2. Pay someone to make it worth their while to spend their time >> > educating you, rather then working on projects of their own, or >> > 3. GTFO! >> > >> > -Corey >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> let me explain a few things. >> >>> >> >>> On 21.07.2010 12:16, ali hagigat wrote: >> >>> > The reason some of you do not like to answer is not lack of time. It >> >>> > is >> >>> > because you do not want other people know about the details of the >> >>> > project, >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> We will tell you about the details of our project if you are friendly >> >>> and if you read the documentation. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Rudolf, answering my questions take you not more than a few minutes >> >>> > of >> >>> > your >> >>> > time and it is not a waste of time. Answering technical questions >> >>> > are >> >>> > not a >> >>> > waste of time, never, as it is a kind of practice and helps people >> >>> > keep >> >>> > their knowledge updated or refreshed. I did not ask you about >> >>> > economics, >> >>> > politics and the subjects unrelated to computer science, how can i >> >>> > waste >> >>> > your time? It is something you can benefit from if you think about >> >>> > it >> >>> > unless >> >>> > you have other reasons (that I am aware of!!) >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> We do not benefit from explaining things to you. >> >>> You have shown an unwillingness to learn independently, so the project >> >>> does not benefit from explaining things to you either. >> >>> BUT... if you pay some of us _enough_ money, they will treat you as a >> >>> customer and explain things to you even if you are unwilling to do any >> >>> work yourself. >> >>> >> >>> Even if you promised to help us with developing coreboot, we would not >> >>> benefit until the amount of development done by you saves other >> >>> developers more time than they lose explaining things to you. We do >> >>> not >> >>> know you, and we have no way to make sure if you really intend to help >> >>> or if you're just trolling. Your behaviour so far is pretty close to >> >>> trolling. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > I asked some questions to understand the overall framework of the >> >>> > work >> >>> > without going into the details. I knew about the wiki site of >> >>> > Coreboot >> >>> > before, how could i register at this mailing list while I found it >> >>> > by >> >>> > Coreboot site!!? >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> Apparently you found the wiki, but you're unwilling or unable to read >> >>> and understand the main contents, and focused on the mailing list >> >>> instructions instead. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Go read wiki or the source code are the solutions I knew myself, i >> >>> > have >> >>> > the >> >>> > source and the Internet connection... >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> And why don't you do that? >> >>> >> >>> You have three choices: >> >>> 1. Be friendly. Read the source/documentation. We'll explain the rest. >> >>> 2. Pay someone to explain this in private. >> >>> 3. Leave. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Carl-Daniel >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> coreboot mailing list: [email protected] >> >> http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >> >> >> > > > > -- > coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > -- coreboot mailing list: [email protected] http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
