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Vancouver (pop. 500,000) first used its 160 digital voting machines
successfully in the 1996 election. They have both a paper record and an
electronic record as you suggest.
FWP.
On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Jim Condit Jr. wrote:
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>
> Oh, please, dear folks, do not fall for the trap of internet voting. There
> must be a paper trail or you are perpetuating what we have now in the
> United States -- a completely sham democracy where everyone can "vote" but
> where no one is allowed to check or double-check any of the results. Except
> in 70% of New Hampshire, our nation's votes are "tallied" by computer
> systems. It is ILLEGAL for citizens to doublecheck the computer by counting
> the votes on the spot. Any citizen or group of citizen who tries this will
> be arrested. Furthermore, most of the systems get software and expert
> "help" from one of the relatively few big computer softward companies that
> program the computers. Relevance Magazine, one of the best research
> publications going did an article in Dec 96 called Pandora's Black Box: Did
> it really Count your vote? ---- my website, www.networkamerica.org deals
> with this subject extensively. Internet voting would be good if we could
> guarantee that 1) only those eligible to vote were voting; 2) the votes
> were counted fairly and honestly ( and without accidental programming
> errors) at command central.
> Unfortunately, due to the human condition and human nature, I don't believe
> either of the above is possible -- ever. You need pre-registered, eligible
> people (30 days in advance), you need checks and balances that only those
> eligible vote, and then you need paper ballots that can be counted and
> re-counted and re-counted on the spot, by neighbors from that precinct, in
> broad daylight, and then post the the results in public BEFORE the ballots
> leave the precinct. Then, and only the, is it possible to prevent the
> massive rigging of an election from a central location with the flip of a
> switch. As Joseph Stalin is reputed to have said: "Those who vote decide
> nothing, those who count the votes decide everything." Best Wishes, Jim
> Condit Jr.
>
> On Sunday, December 06, 1998 2:43 PM, Franklin Wayne Poley
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> > What do you think?
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> > Subject: [BCPolitics] Is Ross Perot a Liar like Preston Manning?
> >
> > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > For forwarding to Ross Perot directly and personally via
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > The great thing about internet voting is that is HAS TO LEAD to
> > > a more comprehensive review of the issues and candidates.
> >
> > I expect so. It is all too easy for politicians to evade issues when they
> > are presented by conventional media. However, the evasiveness is
> > very obvious when it stays on the computer screens of the world. I
> > discussed with other CITIZENS at a political meeting yesterday the
> > prospect that both Preston Manning in Canada, Federal Reform and Official
> > Opposition Leader in the Canadian Parliament and Ross Perot are just
> > establishment shills disguised as reformers. In other words, their
> purpose
> > is the delay and frustrating of direct democracy, not its implementation.
> > Manning, I would say is one of the most dishonest political leaders in
> > the last few decades of Canadian politics. Nothing has stopped him from
> > honouring the signed commitment all of his MP's make to direct democracy.
> > It can be done using one of many systems for an electronic
> infrastructure.
> >
> > > A thing like the ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL first discussed by Ross
> > > Perot would turn our world around. Internet voting is a step in the
> > > right direction.
> >
> > Sure it would. And what is stopping Ross Perot, computer tycoon, from
> > lending 40 computers to Ted White, MP for a trial of direct electronic
> > democracy in his riding of North Vancouver? The 40 internet connected
> > computers would go in shopping centres, libraries etc. Recall and
> > referendum proposals would go directly to the constituency office of the
> MP.
> > Presently there is great public interest in a referendum on the Nisga'a
> > Treaty which is a Nisga'a Nation-Federal-Provincial contract. Polls are
> > running 2:1 in favour of a referendum in BC. The BC Reform Caucus holds
> > most of the seats in BC. Starting with the Ted White riding they could
> > implement a province-wide system of internet kiosks which would first see
> > use for the Nisga'a Treaty. That would send a strong signal to the
> > government of Canada about the kind of democracy this entire country
> > should have to honour its Constitutional/Charter of Rights and Freedoms
> > commitment to a "democractic society".
> > If Perot were to design the electronic system for such a trial of
> > direct electronic democracy and lend the equipment to Ted White he would
> > prove his own sincerity and reap great political benefits. But the big
> > question is whether Perot is being any more honest with the public than
> > Manning.
> > FWP.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
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