-Caveat Lector-
Oh, please, dear folks, do not fall for the trap of internet voting. There
must be a paper trail or you are perpetuating what we have now in the
United States -- a completely sham democracy where everyone can "vote" but
where no one is allowed to check or double-check any of the results. Except
in 70% of New Hampshire, our nation's votes are "tallied" by computer
systems. It is ILLEGAL for citizens to doublecheck the computer by counting
the votes on the spot. Any citizen or group of citizen who tries this will
be arrested. Furthermore, most of the systems get software and expert
"help" from one of the relatively few big computer softward companies that
program the computers. Relevance Magazine, one of the best research
publications going did an article in Dec 96 called Pandora's Black Box: Did
it really Count your vote? ---- my website, www.networkamerica.org deals
with this subject extensively. Internet voting would be good if we could
guarantee that 1) only those eligible to vote were voting; 2) the votes
were counted fairly and honestly ( and without accidental programming
errors) at command central.
Unfortunately, due to the human condition and human nature, I don't believe
either of the above is possible -- ever. You need pre-registered, eligible
people (30 days in advance), you need checks and balances that only those
eligible vote, and then you need paper ballots that can be counted and
re-counted and re-counted on the spot, by neighbors from that precinct, in
broad daylight, and then post the the results in public BEFORE the ballots
leave the precinct. Then, and only the, is it possible to prevent the
massive rigging of an election from a central location with the flip of a
switch. As Joseph Stalin is reputed to have said: "Those who vote decide
nothing, those who count the votes decide everything." Best Wishes, Jim
Condit Jr.
On Sunday, December 06, 1998 2:43 PM, Franklin Wayne Poley
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> What do you think?
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> Subject: [BCPolitics] Is Ross Perot a Liar like Preston Manning?
>
> From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> For forwarding to Ross Perot directly and personally via
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The great thing about internet voting is that is HAS TO LEAD to
> > a more comprehensive review of the issues and candidates.
>
> I expect so. It is all too easy for politicians to evade issues when they
> are presented by conventional media. However, the evasiveness is
> very obvious when it stays on the computer screens of the world. I
> discussed with other CITIZENS at a political meeting yesterday the
> prospect that both Preston Manning in Canada, Federal Reform and Official
> Opposition Leader in the Canadian Parliament and Ross Perot are just
> establishment shills disguised as reformers. In other words, their
purpose
> is the delay and frustrating of direct democracy, not its implementation.
> Manning, I would say is one of the most dishonest political leaders in
> the last few decades of Canadian politics. Nothing has stopped him from
> honouring the signed commitment all of his MP's make to direct democracy.
> It can be done using one of many systems for an electronic
infrastructure.
>
> > A thing like the ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL first discussed by Ross
> > Perot would turn our world around. Internet voting is a step in the
> > right direction.
>
> Sure it would. And what is stopping Ross Perot, computer tycoon, from
> lending 40 computers to Ted White, MP for a trial of direct electronic
> democracy in his riding of North Vancouver? The 40 internet connected
> computers would go in shopping centres, libraries etc. Recall and
> referendum proposals would go directly to the constituency office of the
MP.
> Presently there is great public interest in a referendum on the Nisga'a
> Treaty which is a Nisga'a Nation-Federal-Provincial contract. Polls are
> running 2:1 in favour of a referendum in BC. The BC Reform Caucus holds
> most of the seats in BC. Starting with the Ted White riding they could
> implement a province-wide system of internet kiosks which would first see
> use for the Nisga'a Treaty. That would send a strong signal to the
> government of Canada about the kind of democracy this entire country
> should have to honour its Constitutional/Charter of Rights and Freedoms
> commitment to a "democractic society".
> If Perot were to design the electronic system for such a trial of
> direct electronic democracy and lend the equipment to Ted White he would
> prove his own sincerity and reap great political benefits. But the big
> question is whether Perot is being any more honest with the public than
> Manning.
> FWP.
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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