-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Norman,
I agree with you that we should do away with the electoral college
system.
Regards,
William
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Mr. Tun stall,
> I agree with the majority of this post. My only criticism is the "vote him out of
> office" comment. I have done some research in this area and can find no reference
> in the US Code, or Florida Statutes that allows for the common man like you and me
> to vote for the President or V-President of the United States. OH, I know we have
> the popular vote and all that but, it has no force at law. If any law is passed in
> the several states that would permit Citizens to vote, it would be illegal since all
> laws not following the constitution are non laws. The election of the Pres/V-Pres.
> is outlined in the constitution and all State laws have to conform.
> Kind Regards
> Jim Norman
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Mr. Stokes,
> > The gentleman claimed that Warren Harding was a great man. Since he made
> > the claim I was only asking why he believed it to be true. Not an
> > unreasonable request.
> >
> > Since you're posting on Harding...please be forthcoming. What information
> > can you shed on the subject? None, I guess. Then, you shift over to the
> > subject of President Clinton..
> >
> > First off, he is not my hero. He wasn't my first choice. I wanted someone
> > who would address the collapse of American manufacturing and stop our
> > slide into globalism. Clinton is really a product of the DNC, a group
> > that has a strong corporate/globalist orientation interested in pushing
> > through NAFTA and GATT, two trade measures I opposed. So, I'm not
> > happy with him.
> >
> > I'm an economic nationalist. Since you seem to be free with the term,
> > "traitor," I think it is just short of treasonous for American
> > corporations to continue using slave labor around the world, close down
> > plants in America, open up operations in hellholes around the world, then
> > bring their shoddy, slave-labor products back into the US to sell them at
> > inflated prices. That is irresponsible and in my book,
> > because
> > they are undercutting the economic well-being of working families here in
> > the United States. This policy of globalization has been pushed by both
> > political parties (Republicans champion it as well as Democrats). Clinton
> > is just continuing the policies of his predecessors (going back to
> > Nixon--a Republican president--who championed an open door policy to
> > China.)
> >
> > Of course, I believe that we need to develop peaceful trading policies
> > with other countries..but not at the expense of our own people.
> > On this point, we have serious philosophical differences. I believe that
> > everyone--both labor and the business sector must pursue policies that
> > further the common good--by that I mean, they should pursue economic
> > policies that further the best interests of their own country. We could
> > learn from the Japanese on this point. The Japanese business class does
> > not impoverish their own
> > workers in order to make a quick buck like we will do. They are
> > profoundly patriotic. They're not interested in undercutting the economic
> > well-being of their own people. Nor do they craft trade policies
> > that are in the worst interests of their own fellow citizens. As a
> > result, they don't have the kind of rancorous class divisions we have
> > here...
> > Of course, the analogy falls apart when you consider that they are a
> > homogeneous society...without the racial/ethnic/religious/ divisions..
> > but their professional elites (the most privileged members of their
> > system) do not seek to impoverish their own citizens.
> >
> > Examples: Nike, Boeing, General Electric, General Motors,...a long list of
> > manufacturers, food producers, etc.
> >
> > >From my own personal experience in my former community of Mayfield,
> > Kentucky...three manufacturing
> > industries were closed up and moved overseas (Dillon Manufacturing,
> > Mary-Nell and a boot company whose name I've forgotten).
> >
> > You called President
> > Clinton a "traitor." Walk the walk yourself, sir.
> > Be specific. The sale of missile technology to the Chinese? I agree with
> > you. That was a disastrous policy...but those technology transfers
> > originated in the Bush administration, an administration that has had an
> > interest in promoting closer ties with China. So, all Clinton has been
> > doing is carrying out the foreign policy measures of his Republican
> > predecessors...
> >
> > Personally, I think it is a mistake to share technology with the Chinese.
> > But since both the Republican and Democratic administrations have approved
> > these sales...they were reviewed by the NSA and the State Department as
> > not posing a threat to the security of the United States...I don't think
> > it can be considered a "treasonous" act. Unless you want to argue that
> > President Bush was a traitor to the country as well.
> >
> > Presidential accomplishments? As a Democratic President, he hasn't done
> > much. I would agree. In fact, he has more or less kept the nation on the
> > same foreign policy course that the Republican party has wanted. Both
> > Republicans and Democrats want a stable world order with Wall Street and
> > London banks at the helm. (a policy which involves giving lip service to
> > domestic problems here at home, while they carry out the bidding of their
> > corporate masters..) Since the policy of globalization continues
> > forward..Republicans are happy because it means an expansion of business
> > abroad. Labor unions are pretty much kept in check... The minority
> > community is pacified with token representation...and there is some
> > token appearance of political representation for the nation's working
> > people.
> >
> > Maybe your particular political agenda isn't advanced (whatever that might
> > be), but for the most part, he has managed to keep up the illusion that
> > the nation isn't falling to pieces...that we can continue to run these
> > trade deficits without wrecking the economy...and that working people will
> > remain passive. So far, the formula has worked well. No real labor
> > unrest...the ghettos aren't exploding.. profits are up..and the most
> > affluent sector of the American economy is doing very very well. So that
> > is why this impeachment drive doesn't interest our fellow citizens. Oh
> > yes, and I might add that unemployment is low. Of course, people have to
> > work two jobs to survive..but there are jobs.
> >
> > No. I am not a Clintonite. His behavior was disgusting...and he has let
> > down the American people. If you had read my earlier posts, you would
> > know that I'm not crazy about him. But I have defended him because I
> > don't like the idea of character assassination and smear campaigns....
> >
> > I remember listening to Limbaugh one afternoon make a joke about Chelsea
> > Clinton....that there were two "dogs" in the White House. To attack the
> > President's daughter is indefensible. But that is the kind of hate
> > campaign that has been directed against the man and his family since his
> > election. If you don't like the man, vote him out. The fact that
> > Gingrich is gone....and Clinton's continued popularity suggests that
> > most Americans dislike the tactics of his political enemies more than
> > they dislike his personal behavior. The Republican party has made a
> > serious miscalculation...and if they want to win in 2000, they will have
> > to come up with some programs/issues that the American people can support,
> > or they will lose again.
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > In a message dated 99-01-05 12:12:29 EST, you write:
> > >
> > > <<
> > > Since you admire Mr. Harding, would you please share with us some of the
> > > great man's accomplishments? What exactly did Warren do?
> > >
> > > How did President Harding revolutionize and transform American society?
> > > In 1999, do we speak of "the Harding vision" or "the Harding effect"?
> > >
> > > (Did he pull the nation out of a depression? Did he fight for the
> > > protection of the civil liberties of all Americans? Did he build a
> > > national highway system?
> > >
> > > Was he witty? wise? profound? Perhaps, we need a book devoted to him:
> > > "The Wit and Wisdom of President Warren Harding."
> > > But I don't mean to be unkind. He must have done something memorable. Or
> > > perhaps his special genius, like so many Republicans, was in the
> > > NOT-DOING.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Wm
> > > >>
> > > Sounds a lot like Clinton except Clinton doesn't know how to definr the
> > > word "IS" and Clinton is a traitor. Seems to me I have asked these same
> > > questions about your King... Clinton... what has this low-life done that is so
> > > spectacular??? Still waiting for an answer from the Clintonites. But, I don't
> > > mean to be unkind... just truthful, I'm not like youe lying hero Clinton.
> > >
> > > No Regards,
> > > To those who can't "walk the walk"
> > >
> > > Bob Stokes
> > >
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