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Laura S. --- I don't know what you're getting at, I've agreed not to argue
the one side of that one issue because those who do the work to keep up the
list ask that no one do so. There are plenty of URL's arguing that one side
of that one issue, and even Theo (I think) mentioned one even though he was
referring people to it to discredit, in his judgement, a certain report.
Also, what do you mean limited to 100 posts a day? Was that sarcasm or is
that the limit for everyone on the list? Just asking. Jim Condit Jr.
On Wednesday, December 09, 1998 10:40 AM, Laura Shipton
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
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> Jim Condit Jr. wrote:
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> > Please see my post on List Rules to Roadsend if you get a chance ---
for
> > heaven's sakes, there's plenty of URL's, but I dare not list them lest
I
> > get break list rules! Best Wishes. Jim Condit Jr.
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:48 PM, Laura Shipton
> > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
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> > >
> > > Talks of the Holocaust from those that do not want
> > > to do their research and check out the time before
> > > WW1 - that just want to try to do it from a propoganda
> > > view point and prey on emotions without listing urls and
> > > the research and documentation that was used is as bad
> > > as Japan trying to re-write their history.
> > >
> > > Maybe I have something there! By using the term "politically
> > > correct" could people take issue with the American Goverment
> > > in that it is trying to re-write history. That would also mean that
> > > the fact that they want to go after the encription laws would mean
> > > that they can make history by making it very hard for us to get on
> > > any other countries web pages. To find out what is happening in
> > > other countries by checking their comments and news. To edit
> > > our very posts and e-mails when they go to other countries.
> > >
> > > So are some people in America not only trying to re-write history
> > > (and the way it is taught in school) but to make history into the
> > > version that they want?
> > > Laura
> > > aka The Pied Piper
>
> Hey you,
> We are limited to 100 posts a day on this list! To try to use it as
a
> emotional sounding post with out urls is boring and frustrating. Now
> if you want to try to say that the gas that they used was something
> other that Zoron or that what they called Zoron had a different
> composition then - that would be a conspiracy. If you want to try
> to find out what company provided that gas and what their name
> is now days - or do you work for that company?
>
> another thought - if you are trying to say that you can not do
> decent research because of the hate laws! That is a conspiracy.
> Hope who ever kept Japan from re-writing their history takes
> notice of what is actually happening. Still and all if they believe the
> study history should be kept from the people - like Canada seems to
> believe - Well.
>
> Now this is from another thread and does seem to show a conspiracy,
> is well researched With URLS that allow others to research as well.
> See if you can rise up to this standard and keep your un-researched
> emotions to yourself. Another thought. If Bush Sr. can get a higher
> level education in Two years (because of daddy's money) What of
> our "Professionals?" How many of them have been slid through
> school so that they will play someone's tune when they have that
> Title?? Who has tested them? What of our educators, what real
> training, education have they had? But they have a degree! Get real
> who were their teachers, professors, instructors? Can they pass a
> test that a independent organization would give?
> And People Like That May Be Teaching Your Children,
> May Have Taught You!
> The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush
> http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table
> They will not release his grades, Wonder Why?
>
> ****From another thread*****Well researched!*****
> From:
> Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Tue 18:16
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> Subject:
> [CTRL] [UA-C] FC: Canada loves its "hate crime" legislation (fwd)
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> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:41:54 -0400
> From: Michael Gurstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [UA-C] FC: Canada loves its "hate crime" legislation (fwd)
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> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:21:38 -0500
> From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: FC: Canada loves its "hate crime" legislation
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> From: "Lisa S. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Canada loves their hate crime legislation!
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:04:19 -0500
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> Speech Cops of the Great White North
> Dateline: 12/6/98
> Every political system has its eccentricities - oddities that become so
> much a part of the landscape that people living within the system lose
> track of the weirdness. In the case of Canada, it sometimes seems that
> the country's political elite is made up of the stiff-necked faculty of
> a second-tier liberal arts college, and every session of the legislature
> is a meeting of some uptight academic discipline board out to teach
> those naughty frat boys a lesson.
> The latest emanation from Canada's disciplinarians is a "hate speech
> <http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16525.html>" bill that
> might well have been pulled from the University of Wisconsin's
> politically correct student handbook. The proposal would amend the
> Criminal Code of Canada to make it illegal to possess material "for the
> purpose of distribution to promote hate." It would also broaden existing
> "hate crimes" law so that it would be unlawful to say unkind things
> about people based on age, gender, or mental disability, in addition to
> the traditional categories of race, religion, and the like. Defendants
> under the charges couldn't even plead that they believed the material to
> be true.
> The suggested law comes from the Federal, Provincial, and Territorial
> Working Group on Diversity, Equality, and Justice, an agency that was
> destined to do mischief from the moment it was named. You know the
> group's meetings must have been a barrel of laughs.
> "Madame Chairperson, I move that-"
> "I object! 'Madame' is a sexist term that denigrates persons of
> the female gender."
> "Move to strike 'Madame' and substitute 'warm-blooded
> co-citizen.'"
> That the working group is deadly serious is demonstrated by the
> participation of Ujjal Dosanjh, the Attorney General of British
> Columbia, where a government formed by the New Democratic Party is
> laboring to demonstrate that trendy urban leftists can run things at
> least as intolerantly as anybody else. The working group (hereafter
> known as the FPTWGDEJ ... aww, hell, just call it "the working group")
> proposal seems to be little more than a federal extension of an existing
> law <http://www.nsnews.com/proj/freespeech/fs3.html> in British Columbia
> that caused something of a scandal when it was used to club a journalist
> into submission.
> British Columbia's law - actually, the latest version of the province's
> human rights code - says that:
> No person shall publish, issue or display or cause to be
> published, issued or displayed any statement, publication, notice, sign,
> symbol, emblem or other representation that
> (a) indicates discrimination or an intention to discriminate
> against a person or a group or class of persons, or
> (b) is likely to expose a person or a group or class of persons
> to hatred or contempt because of race, color, ancestry, place of origin,
> religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability,
> sex, sexual orientation or age of that person or that group or class of
> persons.
> Basically, British Columbia protects everybody from anything that might
> hurt their feelings.
> Dosanjh and Company are serious about the law, too. Doug Collins, a
> controversial newspaper columnist, was dragged before the Human Rights
> Tribunal (there goes that college disciplinary board again) for saying
> unsavory things about immigrants, Jews, and (to round things out) the
> members of the Human Rights Tribunal.
> Now, there's no doubt that Collins voiced some rather unpleasant
> opinions in his columns. His politics seem to fall somewhere in between
> David Duke and that cranky uncle who has sharp things to say about the
> new arrivals in the neighborhood. But at no time did he urge violence
> against anybody, let alone against an identifiable individual or group.
> In fact, under U.S. law, Collins' columns would be afforded the highest
> level of free speech protection and any official who moved against the
> ill-tempered scribbler could be dragged into court by his, her, or its
> presumptuous ear for civil rights violations.
> Not so in British Columbia, though. Despite drawing heavy-hitter support
> from the press
> <http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/canadian/bc/Human-Rights-Commission/>
> and civil liberties groups, Doug Collins went down to defeat after two
> years of investigation. The British Columbia Civil Liberties Association
> strongly condemned
> <http://www.bccla.org/press_releases/collins_decision.html> the
> Tribunal's decision, saying that it "fears for the future of freedom of
> expression as a result of [the Collins] decision of the B.C. Human
> Rights Tribunal." The group's president warned that "such restrictions
> of free speech drive hatred underground where it festers unchallenged by
> evidence or rational argument."
> You better believe it. Doug Collins quickly became a poster boy
> <http://cafe.canadafirst.net/press_releases/pr5.html> for the sort of
> groups to which that cranky uncle of yours donates money.
> Collins has since won a round in his appeal against the Tribunal's
> decision, but the thought police seemed energized by the battle. In
> fact, B.C. authorities have apparently taken to ~padding their count
> <http://www.alberni.net/> of hate crimes in order to keep the ball
> rolling.
> The Internet is the next stop. As early as 1996, Ujjal Dosanjh told his
> Task Force on Hate Crimes to see what it could do about muzzling naughty
> speech online. He was apparently motivated by the tagging of the small
> town of Oliver, B.C. as the "hate capital of Canada" because an ISP
> <http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/11195.html> based there
> hosts a large number of unpleasant Web sites. Dosanjh's announced plans
> to make the little corner of the Internet in his jurisdiction as
> inoffensive as possible drew a sharp response from Electronic Frontiers
> Canada, which announced in no uncertain terms that the "Gov't has no
> authority to regulate the
> 'Net<http://www.efc.ca/pages/pr/efc-pr.25jul96.html>."
> Dosanjh apparently doesn't agree. The working group's proposed federal
> law, he told Wired, is "designed particularly to combat hate propaganda
> on the Internet." Canada already has a history of targeting online
> speech with the unsuccessful prosecution of Ernst
> Zündel<http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/> for neo-Nazi
> efforts on the Internet and in print. Such attacks had the ironic effect
> of turning Zundel into a free-speech hero, with cloned "Zündelsites"
> sprouting up around the world. The new law would, no doubt, complete
> Zündel's martyrdom.
> Even more ironically, one of the big losers under the proposed law may
> be one of the more successful private efforts to combat bigots and
> neo-Nazis. The Nizkor Project <http://www.nizkor.org/> maintains an
> online archive of anti-semitic material in order to publicize the thin
> clattering of lonely brain cells that lies behind it and counteract the
> hate with familiarity - sort of an intellectual inoculation. That effort
> may become explicitly illegal if the hate-speech law passes.
> Canadian authorities have an answer for that concern - but it's not
> likely to soothe free-speech concerns. They promise that they'll
> prosecute only those who have an "intent to promote hate." That would
> exclude good guys like the folks at Nizkor who really mean well when
> they post the material.
> Oh good. The Canadian authorities will be prosecuting people not so much
> for what they say as for what they mean. Tell me that's not a recipe for
> the roughest, toughest, undergraduate disciplinary committee in town.
>
>
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