Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)

[Sean McBride]

-Caveat Lector- The bottom line:   Anyone who disagrees with your thesis that Skull & Bones is the supreme and sole master of the global conspiracy is going to be treated to a tirade of irrational name-calling, verbal abuse and slander.   Skull & Bones for you is of the nature of an emotional religious fixation.  I've never once seen you try to engage in a calm, rational and fair-minded discussion about the relative power of various factions within the global power elite.  For the most part you don't even know who the main players are.   To address just a few of your misstatements:   1. Prove that YOU are not a member of a Cointelpro or ADL operation, along with Phoenix and others.  Can you prove that you are not?  Many people believe that you are, and with good reason.  Making such a charge without a particle of evidence, however, is one of the sleaziest debating tactics in the book.   2. You have claimed that Bush Senior and his associates, including Brent Scowcroft, have actually supported the Iraq War and the policies being pushed by Ariel Sharon and the neocons.  PROVE it.  Where is your documentation and proof?  For over two years, and after repeated requests and challenges, you've produced absolutely nothing to support your argument -- just emotional verbal abuse.  You can't begin to wrestle with the kind of solid research that has been produced by professional journalists like Jim Lobe.  No doubt you will now accuse Jim Lobe of also being part of the Skull & Bones conspiracy.   3. That Halliburton has profited from the Iraq War doesn't prove that the oil industry as a whole promoted the war.  Again, PROVE that leading members of the oil industry promoted the war.  It is true that the neocons, most of whom have no business experience at all, have had designs on Mideast oil for several decades (see, especially, Robert Tucker's famous article on the subject in Commentary in 1975).  But the neocons are NOT the oil industry.  The oil industry as a whole has sought to maintain good relations with Israel's neighbors, not alienate them.  You can't pump and profit from oil on territory inhabited by an intensely hostile population.  Witness the current mess with the oil pipelines in Iraq.   4.  Is it possible to express disagreements with Michael Ruppert without being accused of "attacking" him?  Ruppert started to arouse the curiosity of many people when he put all his eggs in the basket of Delmart Vreeland.  He even circulated a message claiming that Vreeland had been poisoned by wine that had been sent him by Alan Greenspan.  Apparently Ruppert is some kind of cult god for you -- he certainly isn't for folks who are capable of independent thinking and research, and who are better educated in history and politics than Ruppert.  Much of Ruppert's research is valuable, but he makes mistakes occasionally, like the rest of us.  I know quite a few researchers who are more knowledgeable about conspiracy politics than Ruppert, and who certainly know much more about oil politics than he does.   5. Far from believing that Israel is behind the majority of conspiratorial activities in the world, I've stated many times that I believe that Israel is largely a victim of the Octopus.  The Octopus is a fragile secret alliance of global criminal interests, many of which are neither Jewish nor Israeli.  The Octopus, however, relies heavily on the cover of Zionism to pursue its goals.  One of the key tactics the Octopus uses to fend off investigation and criticism is to accuse its critics of "anti-Semitism."  Nice trick if you can get away with it, and they've been getting away with it for decades now.   Conspiracy politics for you is much more a cult than it is for many Skull & Bones members, I suspect.  John Kerry, for instance, is capable of engaging in a reasonable debate, based on a rational analysis of objective facts.  He doesn't fly off the handle every time his idee fixe is challenged.  He took the trouble to get an education before he became a self-appointed expert on world politics.  He's also produced some useful writings on elements of Octopus activities, including the Russian Mafia, money laundering, drug trafficking and the Iraq War.   And, no, I am not supporting Kerry for president, nor do I treat him with any reverence.  But you might pick up a few pointers on how to improve your style of communication from him.  (Step number one: get an education before you start lecturing and hectoring the world.)   ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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