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visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:13:15 -0600 From: David McDivitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBirch] That giant sucjing sound (fwd) I have done a lot of thinking about this subject, as well as others where I am. As a consultant doing analyst work and programming, an influx of cheap labor from abroad, namely India, has driven wages down considerably. I have taken a 30% pay cut. Others have taken more. Decisions must be made. In time we will have a one-world government. I'm not saying I favor that, but recognize the inevitability. The decision to be made then, is not whether to have a one-world government, but how soon to give in and begin negotiation in the process. When such comes, I want it to have as much American influence as possible, possibly dominated by American principles. Sitting back with isolationism means we are not participating and lose out. Rather than cede our liberties away, we must negotiate now with strength and sway things in our favor. Europe remains dominated by religious influence, taxing citizenry to directly support the church. There is a strong bond in Europe between religion and government. If you want to know where nanny-state liberalism comes from, it comes from posturing of religious establishments in Europe who seek to remain in power. The U.S. is different. Europeans do not like the U.S. because we are materialistic, individualistic, and we do not honor their old-school ideological snobbery. In Europe it is not all Christian. The French for instance do not wish to offend many Moslems in that country, as a class, and as a religion, further illustrating religious influence. French meddling in the Middle East is historical and well known, contributing significantly to problems seen there today. Everything that touches the United States takes on an air of Americanism. People may be coming here, but we in turn are exporting Americanism back where they came from. There is one language accepted as a de facto international language, and it is English. In many countries, learning English in school as a second language is mandatory. Are we forced to learn other languages here? No. That says a lot for American influence around the world. I do not want the European model of democracy. I do not want their subtle yet firm liberalism whereby they continue paying dues to monarchs and religious leaders. Not by isolationism, but through perseverance of American ideals will we one day see Canada as America to the north, Mexico as America to the south, European America, and Asian America. When we do have a one-world government it will be one dominated by American ideals. Short term we may seem to lose by letting so many come here, but in the long run we win. It is not us necessarily, but our founding fathers, who in their wisdom established this country as they did. >From: "lsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:48:14 -0000 > >> Almost ten years later, our manufacturing jobs have left our shores by the >> millions, to the extent that it is almost impossible to buy anything off the >> American shelf that is not made in Communist China and elsewhere. Now, the job >> losses have begun to decimate our American high tech workers. > >While domestic employment may be of concern to you, the majority of >humans (the remaining 5.75 billion of us) find global environmental >sustainability to be more important. > >Propping up underperforming local businesses to "save American jobs" >is compromising the effectiveness of free trade, the invisible hand, >and market economics in general, with negative consequences for: > >1. your own economy (since you'll still be flogging them dead horses) >2. the world economy (since our good horses can't get a race) >3. product quality (since less competition means less innovation) >4. product price (since less competition means higher prices) >5. the consumer (you must buy expensive, featureless junk) >6. the environment (resources wasted on aforesaid junk) > >So basically, getting upset about globalisation is a *dumb idea*. > >I would advise embracing the change instead - just like workers in >industrial towns had to reskill when the machines took over >manufacturing, so must modern workers reskill. Arguing with these >forces is like shouting at an oncoming tidal wave. Don't bother... > >Incidentally, I'm sure you know that, say, gunpowder was invented in >"Communist China". So was the abacus and pasta. Those damn commies >can't be all bad, eh? (I'll just pop down to my local doctor, for >free, since I live in the socialist welfare state known as the United >Kingdom.) > >> Our esteemed president, George W. Bush, is a strong supporter of NAFTA/GATT and >> free trade. Some time ago, Bush placed tariffs on foreign steel that was >> threatening to wipe out American steel interests. He was just forced to reverse > >Huh? Free trade and tariffs are incompatible. Anyone who imposes >tariffs is no friend of free trade. > >> those tariffs after the World Trade Organization threatened massive fines for >> clearly violating our insane agreements under GATT. > >It's true the USA signed up "in principle" to some of GATT. This had >benefits the world over, and, "in principle", helped to build a >sustainable future for all life on Earth. This will inevitably lead >to some adjustments, as unsustainable business processes (hint, hint) >are naturally deselected by the free market. That you now see this >deselection working, and label it insane, is evidence of vision >somewhat narrowed in circumference. > >> I remember reading a German commentator's column, written right after >> NAFTA/GATT were signed into law. He wrote, "Wait until it hits them." > >This is simply a recycled "you wait until it happens to you" >emotional argument. No, your views on what is fair should NOT change >just because you're now involved, instead of a bystander. Where are >your principles? Free trade is good for everyone, "in principle", >and if a few people were overfeeding at the trough, they are just >gonna have to learn to get by with a little less. Many people on >this planet are far more disadvantaged that this. It is to be >expected that some redistribution of resources will occur; our planet >is a closed system with a finite amount of resources, and if the >playing field is to be levelled, this means, not only do the dips get >filled in, but the bumps get flattened. > >Stuart -- http://nonspiritual.com http://freeconservative.org http://todiscuss.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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