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nurev wrote:
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> Jim Norman wrote:
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> > Ric Carter wrote:
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Scott Brown wrote:
> > > > > Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of
> > > > > > intellectual honesty to propose that the time has come to repeal the
> > > > > > Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I feel it would be a waste of my time to devote the time
> > > > > and energy that is necessary to properly convey how your proposal
> > > > > dissgusts me. So what I will say is this, I hope that you remember
> > > > > your decision if we are deprived of our right to defend ourselves
> > > > > against tyranny. In the remaining part of this year, and the next
> > > > > 3 or 4, you will see the error of this ignorance.
> > > >
> >
> > You may be interested to know that the 2nd amendment confers no rights on the
> > citizens of the United States. Neither does the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th 6th, 7th, 8th,
> > ect. When you read any of those mentioned, please realize that they are not
> > referring to the citizens. Those amendments specifically refer to the
> > government. They forbid government from passing laws infringing those rights. To
> > repeal the 2nd simple means that the pre-existing right to keep and bear arms
> > still exist. All you're removing is the ability of the government to pass laws
> > infringing those rights. The rights still predate the constitution but you know
> > how the government has such a problem playing by the rules.
> > By the way, which one of the next bill of right amendments are you willing to
> > drop? Free Speech? Freedom of Religion? Do you realize that all of the bill of
> > rights is resting on the 2nd? No, you say? Name one other country that had it's
> > weapons removed from the citizens that survived as a Republic, or even a
> > Democracy.
> > Jim Norman
> >
>
> This amendment is 200 years old. It was written for a different
> society with
> a tiny population.
All the amendments are old, and were written for a country destined to grow. They was
no mention about how these laws should change due to growth. If fact growth only
exacerbated the problems. What ever problems that existed then, still exist today.
You
fail to respond to the challenge "Name one other country that had it's
weapons removed from the citizens that survived as a Republic, or even a Democracy."
>
>
> This is a different world. A different society with different
> problems.
The more things change, the more they stay the same! A different society? I agree.
Different problems? I don't think so. Why do you think the 10 commandments are still
revaent today?
> This
> America is way overpopulated in certain places and suffers from many
> injustices
> that result in a considerable segment of the population mentally unfit
> for
> the responsible use of firearms.
Not even close. The considerable segment is the normal people who would never think
about pulling a gun except to
defend them selves. These idiots who shoot up schools are such a infinitesimal
fraction
that it is also insignificant. If it were not for the press giving so much coverage in
an attempt to promote the anti-gun agenda, you and I would never have heard about this.
>
> When you add that fact to the
> additional
> problem of accidental deaths due to firearms, you get an appalling
> death toll.
>
> It's not appalling. accidental deaths are small compaired to other other forms of
> accidental death.
> It's really absurd for gun nuts to keep pointing to the 2nd Am. It has
> become
> irrelevant in modern America.
It's not absurd and you don't have to be a nut to keep a gun. All you have to do is
want to protect yourself and your family.
The 2nd amendment will become irrelevant when a Constitutional Convention is held, a
law
is passed in both houses repealing the 2nd, that law then presented to the States so
that if 3/4 of them accept, then the law can be changed. Until then, it is still the
LAW OF THE LAND.
> You think guns are cool and I don't.
I think guns are nothing more than a tool. No different than walking to my tool box
and
picking up a hammer. I am as careful with that hammer as I am with a gum. Cool is not
even a consideration. Accuracy is more important.
>
> When enough
> people think like me, guns will be removed from this sick society, and
> we'll
> go from there.
If the carpenter is sick, lets take his hammer away? Is that the idea?
> It might be a mistake or it might not. But you gun nuts
> will
> not prevent the rest of us from finding out.
I think you Anti-gun nuts have a long way to go. Maybe by then you will see the light
and begin doing
something constructive ...like helping to solve the social problems.
>
>
> The Colorado killings have turned the tide. I think you guys see the
> writing
> on the wall. To accommodate those of you who just can't live with
> that, I would
> set aside a " reservation " where any American can go live with their
> guns.
> Think of it as a free fire zone. How about Idaho?
>
Kinda like what the white man did to the real native Americans? Is that the way
liberals handle all their problems.
"These people over there in overalls...yes those with the hammers... I don't like the
way they swing those hammers.
Lets ship 'em off to Idaho.
>
> As for hunters, how about this suggestion? All hunting in the state of
> Idaho
> would take place between three and three thirty AM on the first Sunday
> in
> June. All hunters would be confined to a very large corral where a
> helicopter
> would drop hundreds of live chickens, and the hunters could only shoot
> the
> chickens once they hit the ground. There would be no limit on kills.
>
>
I recommend more time with the therapist and less time with your chicken.
Jn
> Ahh.
>
> Joshua2
>
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