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To: Miller, Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MI5 builds new centre to read e-mails on the net
Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:28 AM
>From another list
>Echelon is the most overrated eavesdropping device in the entire arsenal of
>Orwellisms. The limited number of personell have to sift through tens of
>millions of e-mails per day: they were overwhelmed in 1995, when the number
>of daily e-mails were one tenth what they are now. No matter how many new
>stations and personell MI5 put on this, the number will be an additive
>countermeasure to a geometrically increasing problem of sifting. The
>problem for the listeners is pure math- there ain't no way to do it.
>
>I am much more alarmed with the coalation proceedures in the private
>enterprise realm- the ever increasing paper trail every person leaves
>behind them is being collected better every single day: we are at the point
>now where we can have a moderately sophisticated program collect dispirate
>pieces of information into a huge personal information whole, then make
>reasonable extrapolations and predictors to make a well detailed and very
>likely psychological profile of the people involed. And keep in mind, this
>doesn't have to involve a person at all: you can have a program do it. The
>worstr thign about this is it's being done by the hyper efficient market
>and not the plodding and incompetant NSA: not only is it legal, it is
>necessarry to the system.
>
>Being afraid of Echelon is a crock- in the same way that a sattellite is
>more frightening than a radar gun because the "satellite can read your
>driver's license", it is a cumbersome, expensive, and highly intensive way
>to get information on an individual, whereas a radar gun is operating
>within five hundred feet oif your house, and will bust you guaranteed
>sometime in your life. A satellite will never look at you, a radar gun
>will. Same thing with the internet- the companies have innocuous and not
>very impressive Orewellian sounds, but the government is terrifying: guess
>which one will destroy our privacy and freedom?
>
>
>
>>This MI5 project appears to be an expansion of Echelon. It is done
>>under the auspices of fighting terrorism and crime. Truly dangerous
>>terrorists and criminals are now acutely aware of government
>>eavesdropping systems and know how to get around such systems, which
>>likely use computers to search for key words. Not using suspected key
>>words, using throw-away e-mail addresses and communicating in person in
>>public spaces will probably be enough to foil this type of system in
>>most cases. And petty criminals will not likely be a target of this
>>type of system. So why then? Spend money on gadgetry? Intimidate the
>>population? Whatever the purpose, Western governments have at their
>>disposal the tools for social control beyond the wildest fantasies of
>>the most totalitarian governments ever to exist. And Britain is leading
>>the way. We are assured that safeguards will be put in place to prevent
>>abuse. That may be so. But those safeguards are administrative, not
>>technical. They could be eliminated in one morning by a memo.
>>
>>For those interested in the technologies of social control:
>>
>>This link explores the capabilities of Echelon -
>>http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/hager.htm
>>
>>This link is to a report to the European Parliament entitled
>>"An Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control" -
>>http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm
>>
>>--Rob
>>
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