Well Tenebroust,
I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the
military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual
reality scenarios. But the American govt did build about 50 bases for the
greys which was done by Rand Corp. I'll find the info. English people seldom
get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag. Abductees in US have gone
underground to both grey and military bases..
According to Branton, there are even more greys under Los Alamos than even
under Dulce, a major nesting area going back to native American times. He
has heard of an area near Los Alamos where the Feds bring huge shipments of
cattle for picking up by grey ships on an almost daily basis. It is a
forrested area southwest of Los Alamos where pictograms of 'aliens' exist.
So the aliens have been in that area long before the atom-jacks came in.
Also setting off nuclear blasts burns away the membrane between this
dimension and the next which would allow any interdimensional entities easy
access to our dimension. There is apparently more Ets seen in Nevada than
some other places possibly due to the nuclear bombs.
Other people in other countries have been abducted and people have seen them
rising bodily into the air and going into space ships.In South America there
are many stories of this. In Mexico there is a video of about 60 UFOs
appearing in the sky at once when there was big crowd. Many hundreds saw
them and videotaped them. Others in US have seen their partner sliding out
of the window from their bed and rising into the air out into the sky. There
was story about the UN Sec, prev to this one in his car watching a woman
float out of her highrise apartment in NY and into a spaceship. This story
is well known. A couple of Govt agents got in touch with the woman and she
told them, where she went as she remembered.
Nicky
-----Original Message-----
From: tenebroust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, 4 June 2000 05:02
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
Nicky; No one can say whether someone was abducted by aliens or if the thing
was induced, especially from a thrid party point examination. That is the
whole point. IF the experience CAN be induced, and you admit it can, then
this is a logical explanation which requires no aliens at all. On the other
hand the idea that "aliens" ARE abducting people just as these experiencers
say they are that cannot be refuted completely, thus it remains a
POSSIBILITY.
On Thu, 01 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:
>
> Sorry June its pointless talking further, eg how do we know you aren't a
CIA
> agent? It obvious if you were you may know more for a start on this
subject
> instead of turning this into a psychological exercise in belief
systems..As
> for you saying I have dogma. All I said is I'm a Christian and nothing
else,
> the rest is your 'belief system' you so gladly promote.
>
> Nicky wrote:
> >I guess you want proof of underground Et bases too?
>
> June wrote:
> >>Yes. Anything less is just opinion and belief, a subjective
> interpretation
> of limited data. ETs are only one of many possibilities, not the only
one.
>
>
> Now for the next hurdle -
>
> Nessie do you think some theorists like M Persinger have any more value
than
> those who have personally experienced Ets? Why trust anybody who is
sitting
> reading books on this subject and comparing an abductee experience to an
> induced one. Sure listen to the guy but he knows no more about the
'reality'
> of it than June who hasn't read much at all on this. But we do 'believe'
> from others who have seen throught he deception that the US military are
> faking alien abductions so they can abduct people. But there are geniune
> abductions because people ahve travelled in spaceships and gone to other
> planets and brought back souvenirs. Alec Newald being one.
> Neither person, theorist or ignorant, can tell without being a personal
> witness at the time if someone's abduction occurred. So if one person who
> hasn't personally been abducted, comments on another's experience then
they
> actually know nothing about it.
>
> Reasons being-
> 1 They have read too many books including disinfo so can't decide truth.
> 2.They have had drugs and think reality can't be deciphered properly
because
> they can't remember what it is like to have a clear mind anymore, so think
> everyone else is as confused.
> 3.They have no firm beliefs and can't perceive another's point of view.
> 4.They see a scientific explanation for everything and are not able to
> decipher the complexity of other dimensions and a person's direct
experience
> of them.
> 5. They are unable to see beyond themselves to be objective about Earth
and
> its manifold off planet guided expressions of evolution to perfection.
>
> Nicky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >what different things do you think the UFOs are?
>
>
>
> See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html
>
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